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caulk04
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8/29/2004
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I'm coming up on the first oil change of my recently aquired '02 4.7.
I am planning on using Mobil1 or Castrol SynBlend in my engine, but have heard some iffy things about Fram filters like I used in my old 4.3 Jimmy. I never had a problem with the Jimmy and the oil filter, but the 4.7 seems to have some problems with the oiling system.
But, my main question is if the Wix filters are a good filter. If not, what about those K&N filters?
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Jag
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8/29/2004
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Go with Mobil or Amsoil, forget the Castrol Syntec. You are right about Frams, they are a bit more then "iffy" though. Wix are decent filters, right in the middle. Wix makes alot of factory filters and heavy duty truck filters. They make filters for Cummins, Napa, General Mtrs., etc. K&N are good, very good. Amsoil, Mobil, K&N, ACDelco are some of your top ones.
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daffydak
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8/30/2004
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I use the Napa gold (1085) on my 00 4x4 4.7L. it seems to be constructed pretty good, and filters well. the oil comes out a nice carmel color, after 3K miles (and I run the pi$$ out of it sometimes :) the only thing FRAM that's anywhere NEAR my truck, is the fram ShurDrain!
I think the biggest advantage of the mobil, K&N and amsoil filters, it that the filter media is synthetic. i'm sure that steve (the amsoil sponsor) can clarify the advantages of having a synthetic filter. I bieleve they (synthetic filters) filter better, and may last longer. i'm not sure on that though.
Please correct me if I'm wrong...
just my .02
Dan
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WIX
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8/30/2004
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Wix filters are among the best. NAPA Gold and Carquest Premium (85085) are also Wix. ACDelco PF-13 will work also.
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8/31/2004
04:57:37
|  Amsoil SDF www.american-synthetic-oil.com Amzoil
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Let's start with this ...
To answer your question, YES ... WIX is a good filter.
FYI - Major oil Filter manufacturers -
Honeywell - makes Fram (In Canada the Quaker State filters are Fram filters / In the USA, QS is Purolator), Pennzoil, Quaker State
Arvin Meritor - makes Purolator Premium Plus, PureONE, Ford OEM, V-1 & SureFlow (Superflow?)
Dana - makes Wix and Napa Gold/Silver, AC Delco DuraGuards for Canada
Baldwin (Parent of Hastings) - Baldwin, Hastings, Amsoil, Casite, maybe others
Champion Labs - Mobil 1, K&N, Supertech, AC Delco DuraGuards (two different types) for USA, Bosch Premium, STP, Ultraguard Gold, Deutch & Luberfiner
Cummins Engine - owns Fleetguard
Mann - a top quality German filter maker (for our many German Friends on this site).
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8/31/2004
05:03:25
| Amsoil SDF www.american-synthetic-oil.com Amzoil
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The order of the best MEDIA in a oil filter:
synthetic -
fiberglass - it is second because fiberglass has to be held together with glues and therefore decreases flows
cellulose - if this get water in it it will bubble up and restrict flow.
Blended filtration media composed of synthetic, cellulose and fiberglass fibers are usually the best.
YOU NEED A BALANCE BETWEEN FLOW AND FILTRATION
FILTRATION
It seems that engine wear gets worse when there are particles above 5 micron particles not being filtered out of the system. GM has done studies where the wear became very great at around 30 microns. On the flip-side, Mobil did tests in 1995 where they ran a number of vehicles at 7.5K oil changes and 15K oil changes on filters that would have been in the 25 micron range. The vehicles went 200K with very little wear. So it would seem that filters that grab most of the 15-20 micron particles whould be OK. I know this is not very scientific.
It really depends on the clearances in your engine. An engine such as my neighbors LT1, which is a small block Chevy as far as the bottom end is concerned, has large clearances so a 20 micron particle won't harm it as much as it would on a much tighter engine such as many DOHC 4 cylinder imports. So in other words, it's different in every case.
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In theory, reducing wear particles to 0 is optimum but in the real world of automobile engines it doesn't work.
What good does filtering out for instance .5 (1/2) microns ... 100% of the time ... but causing wear by interupting oil flow to the bearings.
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If anyone is concerned, perform a Used Oil Analysis and see for yourself what is the PPM range in your engine ... for all the major metals (iron, lead, alumn, copper).
FLOW
FLOW IS ... AS IMPORTANT, maybe ... MORE IMPORTANT ... than FILTRATION. Many filters have good filtration and terrible flow.
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DakotaEnthusiast
8/31/2004
05:12:04
| Amsoil SDF www.american-synthetic-oil.com Amzoil
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For example ... comparing Filtration and Flow
between Amsoil and Mobil1 (due to popularity) -
Amsoil SDF (17 microns / 13.1 fl-oz per min. on 30W oil)
Mobil1 (16 micons / 8.1 fl-oz per min. on 30W oil)
Baldwin (17 microns / 9.1 fl-oz per min. on 30W oil)
You will notice that I have listed Amsoil, Mobil1 and Baldwin. You will notice significant differences between filtration and flow. I listed Baldwin to demonstrate that even though Amsoil is manufactured by Baldwin ... the filters are very different. The filtration numbers are the same, but the Amsoil filter flows better at 13.1 fl-oz per min. vs. Baldwin at only 9.1 fl-oz per min. You will also knotice that the Mobil1 is very restrictive in comparison. Mobil1 oil filters should only be used with mobil1 oil. Mobil1 oil is on the thin side and flows better in their filters.
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DakotaEnthusiast
8/31/2004
05:23:13
| Amsoil Oil Filter www.american-synthetic-oil.com
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If you're budget is a $5 filter, then Bosch Super Premium or Wix. Reasons: Top notch construction, good filtering, and good flow. (The PureOne is in this price range too, but I've got issues with restricted flow in the PureOne because of the densely packed media.)
And if your budget is slightly higher at say the $7 level (preferred customer price) please consider an Amsoil SDF oil filter.
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Amsoil Super Duty Filter (SDF)
AMSOIL oil filters are made by Hastings, which is a subsidiary of Baldwin. Baldwin still manufactures and markets under both the Baldwin and the Hastings name (Hastings and AMSOIL are made in the same plant in Nebraska) .
Baldwin representatives told me that the AMSOIL oil filters use a better grade of filter media, found in only a VERY FEW of the Baldwin filters - simply a matter of economics - it costs more - therefore the reason for the higher AMSOIL Filter price (not a middleman markup).
Amsoil filters are not Hastings! The confusion is that Amsoil also markets the Hastings brand so their dealers will have a source for EVERY filter application imaginable. Amsoil offers and sells Hastings filters but WILL NOT sell Hastings filters for which there is an equivalent Amsoil filter.
In the case of Amsoil filters, I understand the media is different in that they use a synthetic blend type. The Amsoil filters are rated at 98% effective at 20 microns and about 65% at 10 microns. The information I got from Hastings is they are 98.7% effective at 45 microns and 50% at 22 microns. Baldwin also uses a type of synthetic in their filters that are rated "severe service". I don't have any numbers on these. Not all Baldwins are rated severe service. I think that the severe service filters are for heavy-duty equipment.
When AMSOIL went to Baldwin/Hastings with the specs for the "then new" Mobil1 oil filter, Baldwin told them that they could certainly manufacture filters that could outperform it, simply by changing to the new media - which they did for Amsoil - which is why many feel the Amsoil Filter is superior.
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DakotaEnthusiast
8/31/2004
05:32:05
| Amsoil Oil Filter www.american-synthetic-oil.com
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Now ... let's talk about three of the most talked about and preferred oil filters on this site, and also answer the question from the first post.
The three most talked about oil filters on this site also happen to be the three most expensive oil filters as well --- Mobil1, K&N, and Amsoil.
In the oil filter tests that I have seen, the K&N and Amsoil Filters have better oil flow than the Mobil1. For the record, Mobil1 and the K&N are made by Champion Labs, and the Amsoil by Baldwin/Hastings, each and all to different specifications. *** So many products are outsourced these days ***
If you want a better flowing filter, you must stick with Amsoil or K&N over the Mobil1. Champion Labs has told me (and my own personal opinion) that the K&N is designed for extremely good flow for racing applications, while the Mobil1 is designed more for finer filtration. I think if you drive gently and do mostly highway driving, you are fine with the Mobil1, but if you drive agressively, K&N or Amsoil would be your better choice.
Of course since I am an Amsoil Dealer people are going to think I am biased. I do use Amsoil Filters (they are about $2 less expensive than the K&N and Mobil1 with Amsoil Preferred Customer or Dealer Pricing).
Note: If flow is a major issue due to piston slap or the upcoming cold Winter weather I would lean towards the Amsoil or K&N.
My opinion of the Amsoil Filters? ... some of the best in the industry.
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The Mobil1 Oil Filter is a pretty flow-restrictive filter. Mobil1 filters are possibly matched to Mobil1 oil due to the thinner nature of Mobil1 oil (see earlier post Amsoil vs. Mobil1 on the General Board). Bottom Line --- I would not use the Mobil1 filters with other oils unless I knew they were on the thin side of the viscosity range.
Boy, I know I'll get flamed for this, but NEVER did I say Mobil1 filters were bad or Amsoil was better. (or did I?)
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FINAL WARNING
Do not choose an oil filter with paper end caps.
They are prone to failure ... did I hear the word FRAM?
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8/31/2004
05:35:15
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Well, I typed a lot and provided everyone with a lot of information. I tried to break it up so it would be easier to read and hopefully you find it helpful.
Hey ... what else is a man to do when he wakes up at 4:30 AM?
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Jag
Dodge Dakota
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8/31/2004
22:36:09
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Well said Steve. I participated in a filter research myself for the agency I work for. Fram is junk! Believe it or not, the Supertech filter (walmart) had better internals then the FRAM.
I do have a question though. Hasting seems to be a pretty poorly made filter. I have never examined the internals, but it seems to have a thin casing and they seemed pretty cheap. Do Amsoil filters share any internals? What about the casings?
Another thing that is worth pointing out is that the medium-premium line filters come with silicone or equivalent bypass valves. FRAM,etc. have nothing more then a thin rubber valve that is distorted and swollen after a few hundred miles.
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8/31/2004
23:22:11
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Amsoil and Baldwin use a different media than Hastings. Baldwin representatives have told me that the AMSOIL oil filters use a better grade of filter media, found in only VERY FEW of the Baldwin filters.
Amsoil does sell Hastings and they retain the Hastings names, but Amsoil does NOT sell any Hastings filters that have a direct fit Amsoil equivalent.
Per Baldwin --- The Hastings brand is the point of sale retail filter while the Baldwin brand is the higher designed industrial filter. Therefore Amsoil is also designed as an industrial strength filter.
The "thin casing" has nothing to do with the performance of the filter. It is ALL ABOUT FILTRATION AND FLOW and the INTERNAL MEDIA.
Amsoil DOES NOT share internal media types with Hastings and is similar in internal media to ONLY A FEW Baldwin Filters. In the case of Amsoil filters, I understand the media is different in that they use a synthetic blend type --- of the HIGHEST GRADE designed for LONG LIFE and EXTENDED DRAINS.
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Jag
Dodge Dakota
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9/01/2004
22:27:47
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Casing does affect performance. Does it not? I have seen thin casing bulge (especially under pressure with high mileage since last oil change). They also ding & dent easily.
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9/02/2004
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The debate is not about thin vs. thick. The debate should be the strength of the material being used. Metals come in all sorts of different grades and strengths.
What I care about is ...
--- Filtration -- does it do an excellent job?
--- Flow rate --- is it sufficient or not?
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Jag
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9/02/2004
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There was a never a debate to begin with. But casing makes a difference. When my wrench crushes the aluminum foil casing when removing a filter, casing does make a difference. Tell CAT that, you can't destroy their casings
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caulk04
Dodge Dakota
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9/02/2004
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Ok, I think I've made my decision but, how does the WIX compare to the K&N with flow and filtration? Since cold weather is coming and I think this winter is gonna be bad, I want a high flowing filter (that, and I tend to get heavy in the foot) for the winter. But, does the WIX filter or flow much/any better?
Thank you Amsoil...I for one like reading your posts, I don't care if you get biased or not (I'll bias my own decisions anyway) because there is ALWAYS very good info in your posts.
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rusty
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2/26/2006
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Question on Wix filter. Yes they are good, but OEM Dodge is one of the better. Over the past 4 years I have inspected every filter used in my five vehicle and done the bubble test ( is the media ok ) OEM Dadge has two key design features- string around media to keep it inplace & the best in class by-pass valve design. I only buy Dodge after I found this out. One other point is the oil typically never wears out, it just loads up with engine combustion residuals and IF you filter ever has a break in the long change intervals you lost everything. As Test Engineer by trade this oil fiter study has been most interesting. Good luck and hope this helps
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GraphiteDak
GenIII
2/26/2006
20:24:13
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Yeah what caulk04 said.
As long as the post was from Steve I read every bit of it.
You can't get this kind of information from a auto parts store, dealer.
I like how Steve provides the actual data rather than just say a filter is better.
I'm the kind of guy who likes to see numbers :)
A question. I never filled out my "preferred customer" form or whatever that first came in the mail. So would I get a better price on all of this if I did?
Or am I already a preferred customer? How can I tell? I always order via the Amsoil site and I have spent a good chunk of coin a few times.
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jpkomm
Dodge Dakota
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2/26/2006
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I don't think you need to fill out that paperwork, Graphite. An easy way to find out is to log out of the AMSOIL site, put something in your cart and see what the price is, then log in and compare that price to the un-logged-in one. It is usually quite a bit less.
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GraphiteDak
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2/26/2006
23:33:45
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OK I signed in and the price was the same.
12.90 for an oil filter.
So do I need to PAY for a yearly membership as it shows on the site???
I don't buy but every few months as needed. But I do buy for two vehicles (soon to be three) and my ATV's. It's a good chunk of change. Last time I dropped $200 on oils, fluids, and filters.
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DSW
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2/27/2006
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Graphite,
Get the 6 month membership unless your buying stuff real often. I buy a 6 month membership if it's going to save me money, which normally means buying about $100,,, or was it $200??? I get a years supply at a time, so paying for the extra 6 months of membership doesn't make sense for me.
Then again, I am not buying engine oil, just all of the other fluids. I can't get myself to leave the oil in the engine for $15-20K or spend the extra for Amsoil engine oil when M1 will fit the bill for 8-10K oil changes
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