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| Steve Cameron Unregistered  1/16/2001 18:57:07 |
 Subject: performance IP: Logged Message: Looking for performance figures on a 2000 Dodge Dakota 5.9 litre R/T. |
| Bernd GenIII  1/18/2001 00:02:18 | RE: performance IP: Logged Message: Anywhere from 14.8 - 15.5 (model and "freak of nature" depending). Check out the R/T list for more R/T oriented stuff: http://www.dakotart.com Bernd D. Ratsch 1997 Dodge Dakota SLT Supercharged w/Nitrous |
| Russ GenIII 1/18/2001 18:25:20 | RE: performance IP: Logged Message: Bernd what would your answer be if you changed 5.9 to 4.7? Is this called shit- disturbing? 2000 CC SLT 4X4 4.7 L-SLIP AUTO 3.55 |
| Bob DakotaEnthusiast 1/18/2001 19:22:46 | RE: performance IP: Logged Message: Hey Bernd-help me with this one(freak of nature depending)? Hey Russ-help me with this one(is this shit-disturbing).I was always's told,you learn by asking questions.WHAT DO YOU MEAN? Bob 00 Dak.CC SLT Plus 4.7L 235hp 355 L-Slip Auto. (#9) |
| Russ GenIII 1/18/2001 19:34:13 | RE: performance IP: Logged Message: Bob I have noticed that the 4.7 has caused a little Friendly/Heated debate as to how it stacks up to the 5.2/5.9.I hate to put Bernd on the spot but he seems pretty savy around a dragstrip and I waned to get his opinion. You know how polite us Canadians are. 2000 CC SLT 4X4 4.7 L-SLIP AUTO 3.55 |
| Bob DakotaEnthusiast 1/18/2001 20:16:20 | RE: performance IP: Logged Message: Russ-Bernd know's the (Stock) 4.7L are bad to the bone.It well not take long before the after market start's making race parts for them...once that happen's,they will be right up there with the Lighting's.As I have said on the old post's...I drove the R/T and I drove the 4.7L.The 4.7L had as much power if not more power than the 5.9L.The R/T truck guy's don't like to hear that stuff.Bernd know's how to make the 3.9L run pretty dam good,I like to see him work on a 4.7L.My opinion Hey. Bob PS-Come on Bernd...tell Russ what you think! 00 Dak.CC SLT Plus 4.7L 235hp 355 L-Slip Auto. #9Elliott |
| Russ GenIII 1/18/2001 21:19:25 | RE: performance IP: Logged Message: Bob I had a 98 RAM CC 5.2 4X4 3.55 and some jerk stole it and drove as far as he could into a swamp with it (totaled).I was cutting a deal with my sales rep for a new RAM,when he said say Russ if you want to drive something hot try one of the new Dakotas.That was it for me,I miss the big truck once in a while but,I just mash the gas on my dak and the feeling goes away. 2000 CC SLT 4X4 4.7 L-SLIP AUTO 3.55 |
| Bernd GenIII 1/18/2001 23:46:02 | RE: performance IP: Logged Message: The 4.7L is a very formidable opponent to the 5.2/5.9L engines. Unfortunately, there aren't that many aftermarket parts available...yet. You can order a Mopar Performance 300HP "Kit" for the 5.2/5.9L which includes Cam, Headers, Intake, and Exhaust and the dealer (in some cases) will install it with warranty to boot. On the 5.9 vs. 4.7L "debate", you're comparing a torque motor (5.9L) to a high-rev horsepower motor (4.7L). Which one would I personally take? The 5.9L since there's plenty of time proven HP available for them. As for making the 4.7L a Lightning Killer? Add one Kenne Bell Supercharger and a small 50HP shot of Nitrous and you've got yourself a Lightning killer (add $5000 to the cost of your truck for that). HOWEVER, the Lightnings (with only $600 in mods) can hit the 12's without any problems. One of my neighbors (ex-R/T owner) owns a 2K Lightning and all he's done is an aftermarket Mass Air Flow Meter (Pro-M 80), a "Chip", and a K&N filter and it's in the low 13's...with slicks...high 12's. You just can't compare the Lightnings to the Dodge's since the Lightning is a Hot Rod Truck right out of the factory showroom. (Steel Crank & Rods, Forged Pistons, OHC Roller Assembly, and an excellent exhaust system including factory headers.) It's been a heated debate on the R/T list and several other lists and it's a no-win situation for us...at this time. Bernd D. Ratsch 1997 Dodge Dakota SLT Supercharged w/Nitrous |
| Bob DakotaEnthusiast 1/19/2001 02:54:59 | RE: performance IP: Logged Message: Ross-is that a answer or what.Bernd you are right about putting that much money in the Dak to beat the Ford...but some guys will put that in to there 3.9L just to try to beat a V8.Go figure.We live in a crazy word. Bob 00 Dak.CC SLT Plus 4.7L 235hp 355 L-Slip Auto. #9Elliott |
| Russ GenIII 1/19/2001 06:54:04 | RE: performance IP: Logged Message: Thanks Bernd makes sence to me,you to Bob I wonder if dodge will come out with a hi perf 4.7 for the RT ever?They seem to be getting away from the 5.2/5.9.I think the problem is they have three different motors with similar performance,throw in the freak of nature theory and any one might come out on top. 2000 CC SLT 4X4 4.7 L-SLIP AUTO 3.55 |
| Bernd GenIII 1/19/2001 08:10:37 | RE: performance IP: Logged Message: Bob, Look at my truck for a minute and you'll see that it's not really a truck built for racing V8's. 3" Suspension Lift, 2" Body Lift, 32" Tires, a 2-Wheel Drive, Blower, and all the other goodies. I mainly designed the truck as an all purpose hot rod. (Dirt, Mud, Street, Strip) She holds her own just fine. ;) (But i'd be stupid to try to compete with the Lightnings...especially with a V6. Although there is that 11-second 1998 V6.) Bernd D. Ratsch 1997 Dodge Dakota SLT Supercharged w/Nitrous |
| Bob DakotaEnthusiast 1/19/2001 14:23:22 | RE: performance IP: Logged Message: Come on Bernd...I was not referring to you in general!(Remember the General Lee)You do talk a lot about your 1/4 mile times.You did say something interesting about,what your truck would run in the 1/4 with Factory rims and tires.You should try that out some time....ummmmmmm! Bob PS-know one with a Dodge should mess with a Lighting! HeHeHe 00 Dak.CC SLT Plus 4.7L 235hp 355 L-Slip Auto. #9Elliott |
| Bernd GenIII 1/19/2001 15:06:17 | RE: performance IP: Logged Message: What would mine run with the factory size rims and tires? On the computer simulator...about a 15.4 - 15.6. That's just a simulated answer...need to try that someday in the real world. ;) Bernd D. Ratsch 1997 Dodge Dakota SLT Supercharged w/Nitrous |
| Bob DakotaEnthusiast 1/20/2001 18:11:58 | RE: performance IP: Logged Message: Russ I don't think DC will use the 4.7L in a R/T.DC is working on a replacement for the old 5.9L.It will be bigger than the 4.7L but smaller than the 5.9L. Bob 00 Dak.CC SLT Plus 4.7L 235hp 355 L-Slip Auto. #9Elliott |
| Bernd GenIII 1/20/2001 19:06:32 | RE: performance IP: Logged Message: 5.7L Semi-Hemi (I believe) was the "talk". ;) Bernd D. Ratsch 1997 Dodge Dakota SLT Supercharged w/Nitrous |
| Bob DakotaEnthusiast 1/20/2001 21:37:29 | RE: performance IP: Logged Message: Bernd it being a 5.7L is right...they are working on one that will fire like the 80 something GM Cad.You know,cut the spark...let it run on 4cly's.That is the buzz at work. Bob 00 Dak.CC SLT Plus 4.7L 235hp 355 L-Slip Auto. #9Elliott |
| Bernd GenIII 1/20/2001 22:46:38 | RE: performance IP: Logged Message: Yeah...I remember having to work on those a few times. (Biggest P.O.S. design i've ever seen.) God I hope they don't do that...it's easier to just design the engines with some better VE% than to screw with cutting off cylinders for "economy". (Duh, it still takes power to turn the cylinders...where's the savings???) ;) Bernd D. Ratsch 1997 Dodge Dakota SLT Supercharged w/Nitrous |
| Bob DakotaEnthusiast 1/21/2001 05:52:11 | RE: performance IP: Logged Message: Bernd--technology to day is pretty fare out...they might pull it off. Bob 00 Dak.CC SLT Plus 4.7L 235hp 355 L-Slip Auto. #9Elliott |
| Ken Farnahm Unregistered 1/25/2001 12:11:00 | RE: performance IP: Logged Message: Hey there I have a 2001 4.7 slt (auto =( ) What can i do to get more umph out of my stock motor? Please realise I'm a computer engineer and know little to nothing about motors. HELP ME PLEASE!!! Ken Farnham San Jose CA, |
| Bernd GenIII 1/25/2001 16:06:10 | RE: performance IP: Logged Message: AHHH!! Someone from my old Home Town (San Jose, CA). There's plenty that you can do but the most successful mods have been an aftermarket "Cat-Back" Exhaust System and the "Z-Tube" with an open element air filter (K&N). Hey now...i'm a Computer Engineer myself...wrenching on cars since I was 12 (GoKart). Bernd D. Ratsch 1997 Dodge Dakota SLT Supercharged w/Nitrous |
| Bob DakotaEnthusiast 1/25/2001 16:19:21 | RE: performance IP: Logged Message: Ken all you need to do is add a K&N cold air system(when they come out,I'm still waiting for the 2000 to come out.Up grad your exhaust system,nothing over 2 1/2in (my opinion)I bought new R/T exhaust...Stainless steal(love it)You can go with Dynomax,same thing they used on 89 and 99 R/Ts...It's cheaper than what I used.Add synthetic oil you will ROCK and you will make the R/T boys cry a river. (JAJ) Bob Bob 00 Dak.CC SLT Plus 4.7L 235hp 355 L-Slip Auto. #9Elliott |
| Ken Unregistered 1/26/2001 11:09:31 | RE: performance IP: Logged Message: I have a Flowmaster muffler on it, but I don't believe It's catback. It's a single in dual out deal. I will look into the "Ztube", but what can I do to increase throttle responce. It seems when I push the trottle, I'm putting in a request to go faster. I had a 98 Dakota I4 with a 5 spd (Big Mistake)before this one and it had WAY more throttle responce. Thank you for your replys Ken Farnham San Jose, CA |
| Bob DakotaEnthusiast 1/26/2001 14:39:14 | RE: performance IP: Logged Message: Oh I get it,you have been jerking me alone...right? You gave the fun away... with the 4banger thing. "nice try" Bob 00 Dak.CC SLT Plus 4.7L 235hp 355 L-Slip Auto. #9Elliott |
| Ken Unregistered 1/26/2001 14:43:11 | RE: performance IP: Logged Message: ??? No I wish it were a lie. It was my first car I made a HUGE mistake. I got rid of that thing ASAP. Now I got a 2001 Dakota SLT 4.7 When I hit the throttle it takes about 1 second to 1.5 to react. Can this be changed? Is it normal? |
| Ken Farnahm Unregistered 1/26/2001 15:08:19 | RE: performance IP: Logged Message: YOU GUYS WILL LOVE THIS!!!!! http://webpages.krausonline.com/spaul/index.html |
| Bob DakotaEnthusiast 1/26/2001 15:19:04 | RE: performance IP: Logged Message: Ken--I have had that happen to mine a couple of times,but I only have 3ooo miles on mine.If I nail it,one of two things will happen...it will burn the tires off or it will bog like you said happens to yours.I think mine does it because the plugs load up,because I drive it like and old lady,most of the time, because of the gas prices.Just today,coming home from work,a Mustang was budging me...so I was coming up to a light,about 25 miles per hour,it turned green and I nailed it,it didn't bog,the tires broke loss and it went side ways,when I got home I had to change my DVDs. Bob 00 Dak.CC SLT Plus 4.7L 235hp 355 L-Slip Auto. #9Elliott |
| Bernd GenIII 1/26/2001 16:42:28 | RE: performance IP: Logged Message: That lag can be fixed rather easily. Bruce (Flometrics) is just about done with the final build of the 4.7L throttle bodies. Hehehe...they'll fix what ailes ya. ;) Bernd D. Ratsch 1997 Dodge Dakota SLT Supercharged w/Nitrous |
| Bob DakotaEnthusiast 1/26/2001 17:13:26 | RE: performance IP: Logged Message: Ken--Bernds fix will cost you some money,that you don't really need to due, in less you are going racing.(My opinion)I still think your plugs could be loaded up.You have not said how money miles you have on your truck.Have you told the dealer about your boging problem.If you have this problem all the time you have to have them check it out.I know this...any speed parts that come out for the 4.7L, will make a good thing even better. Bob 00 Dak.CC SLT Plus 4.7L 235hp 355 L-Slip Auto. #9Elliott |
| Ken Farnahm Unregistered 1/26/2001 17:28:44 | RE: performance IP: Logged Message: See thats the thing I think it's suposed to be that way. I have 4000 miles on it. If it's not please let me know but I was mainly looking for a mod. Also are there any mods that are simple enough for me to do myself? I have money, and con you turn me on to any good websites? |
| Bob DakotaEnthusiast 1/26/2001 18:10:52 | RE: performance IP: Logged Message: Ken are you trying to say that DC makes them bog,so people didn't try to do hole shots...That what I think you are trying to say.right or wrong?You need to get the new 2001 catolog from the dealer,they should have new stuff out.I need to get one my self.Ken 2000 was the first year for the 4.7L Dak,there is not to many speed parts for them...but they are coming.You are at the best web site...IF there is a better one I like to know myself.I hope I have been some help to you. Bob 00 Dak.CC SLT Plus 4.7L 235hp 355 L-Slip Auto. #9Elliott |
| ken Unregistered 1/26/2001 19:22:33 | RE: performance IP: Logged Message: you guys have been most helpful thankyou. I know this isn't the forum for it but if you have ANY computer questions lay em on my. Im MCSE certified =) |
| Russ GenIII 1/26/2001 20:44:40 | RE: performance IP: Logged Message: Just for your info my y2k 4.7 has never bogged or died out when hitting gas.(14000 mi)Bob when you mash the gas in these things you got to hold on tight dont you. 2000 CC SLT 4X4 4.7 L-SLIP AUTO 3.55 |
| Bob DakotaEnthusiast 1/26/2001 21:30:33 | RE: performance IP: Logged Message: Russ--the first time I drove a 4.7L,I new there was allot of potential in this engine.The 4.7L will be like Fords 4.6L They finally go them to rock...and there is new speed parts for the 4.6L every day.I would love to see DC put that engine in a prowler.If they can make my 4090lb truck hall ass with only 287 cu in,just think what a prowler would do!Ken needs to get his truck look at for the bogging. Bob 00 Dak.CC SLT Plus 4.7L 235hp 355 L-Slip Auto. #9Elliott |
| Bob DakotaEnthusiast 1/26/2001 21:45:43 | RE: performance IP: Logged Message: Ken--I would like to get a web site just for my pictures of my Mustang and Dakota...but I don't know how to do it.Is there a easy way for a ^%$@$ like me to do this.Is there a easy web site I could learn from? This old dog would like to learn a new trick. Bob 00 Dak.CC SLT Plus 4.7L 235hp 355 L-Slip Auto. #9Elliott |
| Bernd GenIII 1/27/2001 00:21:27 | RE: performance IP: Logged Message: Now now Bob...did I forget to tell you about my MCSE as well? ;) The Throttle body was working perfectly on a street driver, daily driver. As for the bogging...and having only 4000 miles on the clock...that's something for the dealer to look into. Where is this "bogging" happening exactly and under what conditions? (Wide Open Throttle, Light Acceleration, from dead stop, etc.) Bernd D. Ratsch 1997 Dodge Dakota SLT Supercharged w/Nitrous |
| Bob DakotaEnthusiast 1/27/2001 09:04:38 | RE: performance IP: Logged Message: Bernd my truck bogged twice when I nailed it from the hole,and twice when I nailed it from about forty.I still think it loads up...because for the most part I don't race it much.The big thing I don't like about the 4.7L is that there is never a time I don't want to nail it.The truck sounds so dam good.. I can't stand it.Al most as good as sex!HeHeHeHeHe Bob 00 Dak.CC SLT Plus 4.7L 235hp 355 L-Slip Auto. #9Elliott |
| Bernd GenIII 1/27/2001 11:48:57 | RE: performance IP: Logged Message: Hehehehe....same goes for me. ust don't tell my wife. ;) (heheheheeh) Bernd D. Ratsch 1997 Dodge Dakota SLT Supercharged w/Nitrous |
| chris GenIII 1/27/2001 17:29:44 | RE: performance IP: Logged Message: And I thought I had something going to have an A+ Certification...oh well...I still like sex better than the open throttle....don't tell my Dak!! hehehe Chris DeCrease 97 Dak 3.9 Sport 5-sp 3"Body Lift 33"BFG TA ko's |
| Ken Unregistered 1/28/2001 04:17:29 | RE: performance IP: Logged Message: Go to yahoo.com and type "free web pages" yahoo supposrts free webspace and gives good instruction on how to build one. I wouldn't call it bogging...or even a problem. I way wondering if i could incrase my throttle responce. |
| Bob DakotaEnthusiast 1/28/2001 08:09:09 | RE: performance IP: Logged Message: Thanks Ken...[I will ck it out]when you fined the parts you are looking for,please give me a shout. Bob 00 Dak.CC SLT Plus 4.7L 235hp 355 L-Slip Auto. #9Elliott |
| tony Unregistered 2/19/2001 23:29:14 | throttle body spacers IP: Logged Message: I've got a 2000 dakota 4.7 4x4.Has anyone heard if the throttle body spacers are worth the money? thanx tony |
| Bernd GenIII 2/20/2001 11:11:57 | RE: performance IP: Logged Message: Not worth the money. See other posts. Bernd D. Ratsch 1997 Dodge Dakota SLT Supercharged w/Nitrous |
| tony Unregistered 2/20/2001 19:15:40 | resetting computer IP: Logged Message: I've purchased a 2000 4.7 dakota.It has a free flowing exaust k&n air system.I would have to bet that it's running lean,is it true if you disconnect the battery and then reconnect and let run a few minutes the computer will recalibrate it self to compensate for the lean mixture. thanx tony |
| Ken Farnahm Unregistered 2/20/2001 19:36:00 | RE: performance IP: Logged Message: Where can I get one of those K&N setups. I was told they diont make one for the 4.7 |
| Bob DakotaEnthusiast 2/20/2001 19:39:19 | RE: performance IP: Logged Message: Hey Bernd..Isn't the spacer what they used under the carb to help keep the gas cool and act as a high rise in the old days. Bob 00 Dak.CC SLT Plus 4.7L 235hp 355 L-Slip Auto. #9 |
| Bernd GenIII 2/21/2001 01:17:08 | RE: performance IP: Logged Message: Yes Bob....they're called "Phenolic Blocks". They're made out of a wood composite which helps keep the heat from the manifold from "boiling" (or heating up) the fuel in the float bowls. When a riser block is used on a carb'd engine, it also helps increase the air/fuel mixture velocity. This works well on TBI and Carb'd applications, but not on MPI. The fuel is injected in the heads, not the intake. Plus, the restrictions in our factory manifolds won't allow the spacers to work as designed. Bernd D. Ratsch 1997 Dodge Dakota SLT Supercharged w/Nitrous |
| Bob DakotaEnthusiast 2/21/2001 14:56:43 | RE: performance IP: Logged Message: Dam you are good...slap me and call me Bettie. Bob- Thanks Bernd 00 Dak.CC SLT Plus 4.7L 235hp 355 L-Slip Auto. #9 |
| Bernd GenIII 2/21/2001 15:43:38 | RE: performance IP: Logged Message: OK....Bettie. ;) Bernd D. Ratsch 1997 Dodge Dakota SLT Supercharged w/Nitrous |
| T - RUNNER Unregistered 3/06/2001 14:27:25 | RE: performance IP: Logged Message: I LOVE MY 2001 4.7L DAKOTA, I PUT A FLOWMASTER CAT-BACK DUAL EXHAUST WITH ECHO TIPS ON IT AND A STOCK REPLACEMENT K&N...IT ROLLS!!! I WAS FIXIN' TO GET AN AIR-RAID OPEN AIR FILTER OR THE K&N OPEN AIR FILTER...WOULD EITHER ONE REALLY MAKE A DIFFERENCE? THE AIR-RAID IS ABOUT $50 BUCKS CHEAPER! ALSO I'M LOOKING TO GET A THROTTLE BODY SPACER...DO THEY REALLY HELP THE TORQUE OR HORSEPOWER THAT MUCH, AND ARE THEY WORTH THE $50-100 BUCKS? ONE LAST THING...HAS ANYONE PUT HEADERS ON THEIR 4.7L DAKOTA? THE KRC PERFORMANCE WEB SITE HAS THE BASSANI OR BORLA HEADERS (CAN'T REMEMBER WHICH) FOR THE 4.7L FOR LIKE $500 A SET...ARE THEY WORTH IT, BECAUSE THAT IS ALOT OF CASH. ALOT OF QUESTIONS I KNOW, I'M LEARNING. I JUST WANT TO MAKE MY TRUCK AS FAST AS I CAN WITH OUT GOING TOO OVERBOARD AND MESSING UP MY WARRANTY. AND WHY THE HELL CAN'T WE PUT TRUE DUALS ON OUR DODGE'S...SOMETHING ABOUT THE O2 SENSOR. I KNOW, I KNOW IT WILL MESS UP ALL SORTS OF S*** IF YOU JACK WITH IT. HOWEVER I FOUND A PLACE THAT SAID THEY WOULD DO IT, BUT I VOID MY WARRANTY. JUST REALLY WANTED TO KNOW ABOUT THE OPEN AIR FILTERS, THROTTLE BODY SPACERS, AND THOSE HEADERS. THANKS, GARY |
| Ken Farnahm Unregistered 3/06/2001 14:39:16 | RE: performance IP: Logged Message: Im with this guy ^ please help a | brother out | |
| Jonas Janek Unregistered 3/09/2001 11:04:52 | RE: performance IP: Logged Message: These 2 are asking the same questions I have...^ |
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