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Clevite 77
Dodge Dakota
10/24/2001
13:52:02
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personally I think it looks aahh bearable???? the thing that really makes it nasty looking is the lowered front bumper, it must be a safety thing, so they don't run over the geo's and escorts etc.
I would like to see one with a nice lift and a set of tires (BIG ones)
what do you guys/ladies think
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Lesley
GenIII
 
10/24/2001
14:09:26
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I really like the chrome spoke wheels. I also like the tie-downs in the bed, they look nautical, like something you would find on a dock. I don't like the white face gauges (just my opinion) and boy that carbon fibre does seem to crop up in the darndest places - the sport logo is black & CF. I'd hate to be a geo and see that grill in the rear view mirror - looks like a semi.
97 3.9 V6 Sport Club Cab. Black.
Quick D Intake.
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TigerDak
Dodge Dakota
10/24/2001
14:10:29
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I saw a nice 4" lifted black one today while I was going to work. They look great! However, I still think the Dak's are a better value and better looking truck all around, and I'm comparing them to ALL trucks.
The Ford trucks are the most stupidest looking truck - just plain ugly!
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Nirami
Dodge Dakota
10/24/2001
15:18:13
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Don't cut down that new style Ranger. They are actually improving in style I think. Because the new Ranger body style, actually looks half way decent. Only when compared to the older model, of course. Heh
- Mikel
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kennungesser
Gen III
10/24/2001
17:11:08
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The new Ram is kindda growing on me,I think I like it more every time I see it!
Kenneth l Nungesser
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Mac10
Dodge Dakota
10/24/2001
18:38:17
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I think the new RAM looks great. I like that big beefy grill. I don't care for the white guages on the intrument panel.
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Spyder343
Dodge Dakota
10/24/2001
19:58:39
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When I pulled up to the Dodge dealership and saw the 2002 Ram, I thought they had parked one of those crappy Ford Super Duties out front (I would be desperate to off-load it too!). When I saw it was a Ram, I almost cried. The only thing I could say was "What did they do to it!" I hate the bubbly headlights and the grill. 'Bout its only redeeming quality is the white-faced guages and four doors. Other than that, I wish DC would "Just push rewind!"
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Stuart
Dodge Dakota
10/25/2001
00:28:09
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From the front and back the truck looks sharp. Nice and big.
Now I think the WORST part about the truck is the 4 door cab. It makes the side veiw like $H!T. I want a 'real' extended cab. If I want 4 doors, I'll by a full sized SUV.
I love the Ram that was just replaced, and the new Ram is growing on me. Until DC decides to offer a loaded extended cab, with the hemi, I'll continue to sink my money into my Dakota.
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Tony
Dodge Dakota
10/25/2001
01:23:55
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I personally like the old styling better, but I can live with the new style. However, I'd pick the old style over the new... The new daks interior... I don't like... I'll stick with my 97 model... Best I think they made
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Lesley
GenIII
10/25/2001
09:11:48
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Hey Tony, I'll agree with you there. I test drove a 2001 a while back, and I didn't like the dash and instrument panels as much as mine. I like the curves... the inside matches the outside.
97 3.9 V6 Sport Club Cab. Black.
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Blckdak
GenIII
10/25/2001
11:08:27
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How did you see a 4" lifted 2002 Ram Tiger. They don't even have a susp. lift for the 2000 Dakota! Seeing that they just came out like 2 weeks ago, someone must've worked double overtime to get one designed and on. Maybe its true.
Erin
2000 CC 4x4 Sport
Magnaflow Exhaust, Z-Tube, Runnin AMSOIL
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Nirami
Dodge Dakota
10/25/2001
11:49:20
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Hey if you have the money for a $35,000-40,000 dollar truck, I'm sure your able to have a custom suspension built for your truck. Heh.
- Mikel
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DavesKota
Dodge Dakota
10/25/2001
15:39:32
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20 inch rims from the factory!!!
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TigerDak
Dodge Dakota
10/25/2001
16:56:08
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CORRECTION: I may have mistaken it for an older model...it was sorta dark that morning
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y22man
Dodge Dakota
10/25/2001
19:07:32
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I agree, put the truck in rewind. Personally if you want a car buy a car. Quit tring to make trucks like cars. The headlighs to me are ugly. The gril I do not like. The white face gages do not appeal to me. The HUGE bumper unappealing. Must be a safty thing cuz chevys new HD bumper hangs way down too. To me it is not a very manly truck. Don't worry I am not going to buy it. Personally I don't like the apearance.
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Dakota 2 Time
Dodge Dakota
10/26/2001
10:05:21
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The bumper being lower is a federal thing. Too many complaints about accidents where the truck bumper hits higher than the bumper on a car. Of course they never tell you the truck in question was lifted. You will see this on more and more new trucks and SUVs. "Standardized" bumper heights to match cars.
I haven't checked the RAM out in detail. From the pictures I like the Sport model with the body color grill shell and billit look grill. The RAMs are too big for me anyway and I love my Dakotas so I won't be trading anytime soon. Of course if I needed a big truck I would check it out. This would be a tough choice as I have not been as happy with Chrsyler since Dalmier stuck their nose in there so I would be considering GM big trucks as well. (never Fords, nothing but bad luck with them in my family, besides they are ugly)
Off roaders may not like the new RAM as it has IFS instead of a solid axle. Solid axles have certain advantages off road.
One thing too, there is only regular cab and quad cab, no club cab. I would want a club cab. I don't need 4 doors but like the extra room an extended cab gives. Now that I think about it, the new RAM would not meet my needs and I would have to check out GM.
97 CC SLT 5.2 Auto 3.55 Brilliant Blue/Silver
01 CC SLT 4.7 Auto 3.92 LSD Flame Red/Silver
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Clevite 77
Dodge Dakota
10/26/2001
10:18:07
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If you notice they dropped the front bumpers, but check out the rear bumpers their still the same. a geo or prism, etc. slams into the rear of the ram, chevy's hd or fords superduty their head will be imbedded into the bumper, but I guess it will be your fault when you hit one anyways??
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Hank
Dodge Dakota
11/09/2001
01:35:44
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i have to say that the first thing i thought was "what did they do to it!??!" also. cant stand the huge grill and bubble headlights. and the white guages look out of place in a predominantly black interior. i dont mind the quad cab, but it needs an 8 ft. bed to look proportional. i think it looks too much like an F-150 :-( and on a side note, i cant stand the new dakota interior either, the curves were way better, the new interior reminds me of my buddy's S-10.
99 RC 3.9 5-speed
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Demon-Xanth
Dodge Dakota
11/09/2001
15:16:07
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To me it looks like Dodge got the front end perfect...
...if it was a van. But being a truck the nose dips down too much and the headlights are too far to the outside. I dislike it (the first time I saw it was when I picked up my Dakota)
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QUAD2NV
Dodge Dakota
11/27/2001
23:32:33
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There was a 2002 Dodge Ram at the SEMA show in Vegas. I have a pic of it posted at my website. The bottom of it came about 4" above my knees...and I'm 6 foot! I think it had 37" Goodyear tires on it.
www.geocities.com/quad2nv
Click on "SEMA 2001" pics to check it out.
QUAD2NV
2001 lifted 2wd Dakota Quad Cab
Patriot Blue, 8" lift, 33" SWamper SSR tires, 15x10 Weld Rims
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Chris W
Dodge Dakota
11/28/2001
10:37:41
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Back looks good. Cant stand the front view. Interior looks like s--t. Looks like they stole the headlights off an Infinity. {out of placeon a big truck} Overall, I thought the old Ram looked better. Stupidmove to not offer a Club Cab. We'll see how the sales numbers speak, but I personally think that since DM took over, It's going downhill. My next truck will be a Toyota Tundra. --thats if my 95 3.9 ever dies!! 120,000 and going strong--
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drew
Dodge Dakota
12/02/2001
12:51:00
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The two sayings I've heard in the new Rams defence
* Have you driven a recall latley* (Ford)
OR
*Carefull! It's only plastic* (Chevy)
**Note these are not mine, I only heard them, and found them funny. So as not to piss he who thought of them, I take no credit**
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Brakes
Dodge Dakota
12/05/2001
20:46:30
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Well, if the fellas in Germany or detroit have their heads otta their a$$es then they might have a good truck.
1. The 13 inch rotors sound ok, but is DC still contracting out to a second rate facility in ol' Mexico like they did on the first generation rams?If so, I envision lots more lawsuits and unhappy customers and lots of replaced pads and rotors.
2. Did DC fix the herky jeryk five start pile of crap 45RFE? Otherwise, DC might be gearing up to install more five speeds than they imagined.
3. Did DC do the actual testing of the emission contorls to make sure the motor runs ok in ALL climate changes (unlike the 4.7 in my DAK that needed THREE upgrades to the PCM so it would not stall)? Otherwise, I see lots of people maybe going back to Carter Carbs.....lol
4. The IFS does not impress me. This is a truck, not a car, so why include IFS when a solid axle is MUCH more stronger? If buyers want a cushy ride, then buy a f*cking car! A truck is made for WORK!
5. Glad to see the the 4.7 but at 295ls of torque, it will be hard pressed to move the iron; even harder pressed if loaded or pulling a trailer. Revisit James Healy's test drive on usatoday.com.
6. See #1
7. Hey DC, how about some higher quality plastic?Seems Toyota and HOnda can use plastic that does not constantly remind us of plastic but Detroit insists on using plastic that DOES remind us of plastic.
8. How about a METAL front fender liner? Makes for a quieter vehicle..ooops metal costs more than plastic and shareholders come before customers. Shame on me for suggesting that the customer actually get a quality product.
9. Did the beancounters have a cost cutting orgy? Where in the name of sam hill did the grease fittings go? Oh, not needed eh? Uh, check out the postings on dakotas and the massive failure rate of upper and lower ball joints. Goes to show you that lubed for life is a misnomer.
10. Ditto on the U-joints.
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QuickRacing
Dodge Dakota
12/06/2001
02:50:58
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Reply to the last post...#4
The reason that they put the IFS in for the "cushy ride" isn't to appeal to the working crowd. They want a versital truck that in way doubles as a car. It has the four doors (for more room), and doesn't ride like a lumber wagon. Like the S-10 version... It has four doors with a tiny little box, (that way for the peolpe who hardly use the box) have the option if they need it. Like my truck ... I've used it to haul @ five time in two years. So the option is there, yet you can use it as a family vehical.
In short I feel it's just an economical version of a truck.
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Chris W
Dodge Dakota
12/06/2001
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KUDO'S! to Brakes post, I couldn't have said it better myself. Maybe If they would start building trucks with the primary mission of work then they would hold up better. Its OK to add some comfort features, but it seems to me that the RAM is starting to shift away from the working person and toward the soccer mom. They dont even gear the RAM towards the working crowd in the advertising. When I think strong durable work truck, I think Chevy. And I CANT STAND GM! but there ADs say strength. What the hell does "just push play" mean anyway?.
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Brakes2
Dodge Dakota
12/06/2001
09:24:42
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So long as shareholder interests come first and beancounters are in high positions in a company, you'll never see a RAM built they way it should be and that is like a truck.
1. Shareholder interest first and product second=second and third rate quality. Just look at JD powers survey. By worrying about the stock price, you don't see long term ramifications like old design, poor design, and shoddy parts and workmanship. I refer you to the early chapters of Behind the Wheel at Chrysler by Doron P. Levin for more details on this. Suffice it to say, Lynn Townsends obession with the stock price was one cause for near bankruptcy.
2. Allowing beancounters to make decisions on product development. A beancounter will, by nature and training, view automobile design and production as an enterprise by which you pour in as little money as possible and expect magnificient returns on the other end. This of course, almost always results in piss poor quality and workmanship. Examples: Chrysler "finned wonders" of the late 1950's Beautiful cars, bad quality. Why? Finance said, NO rustproofing which is why you see so few examples of these cars today. Finance said no the a $1.00 boot on the torsion bar mount and consequently, many of the 1957 and 58 models had to come back for massive repairs.
Recent examples: 1975 Volare/Aspen twins. Finance said cut back on the amount of rust preventive on the fenders. Result, a $109 million dollar charge in 1980 to replace those fenders when ChrCO could ill afford it and more devastaing, lost customers to competition.
Finance lacks the long term vision necessary to ensure the long term health of ANY company. Case in point my company was run by a beancounter for the last two years. We did NOT show profit for those two years yet basically survived by layoffs, inane cost cutting, and selling of assets. More Proof? Check GM's slide to oblivion. It did NOT start in the 90's as so many like to think. It all started in the 80's when Roger SMith (another accountant by trade)decided that all GM cars could come off a couple of platforms. Anyone remember the "identicar" ads run by Ford? ANyone remember when Ford passed GM in profit in 1986? And who wants to revisit the X car fiasco which effectively took GM out of the running in their ability to build and effective, reliable small car here in the states. The head of Honda in 1979 had a Citation shipped to Japan, and had it taken apart to the last nut and bolt and was quoted as saying "a good car, but not a threat to Japan, Inc."
How prophetic!
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Lift It
Dodge Dakota
12/13/2001
19:59:19
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In my opinion they missed the boat. The previous Ram was nice, though I wouldn't own one. While I agree that it was time for Dodge to make a body change, as it was becoming long in the tooth, I think they could of come up with something better than this design. It basically looks to be a bigger and slightly taller Dakota...which isn't something to brag about. What especially kills me is that Dodge went IFS. What a mistake! But then again, I guess most who are into lifting and modifying their trucks don't buy Dodge's anyway since the aftermarket companies don't develop as much for Dodge as they do for Ford and Chevy. If you are just going to leave your truck stock this Ram may be fine. However, if the purpose of buying a new truck is to modify it, I would highly suggest Chevy or Ford, as I'm sure most would. Personally, I'm not a Chevy fan but the truck has some good things about it. There engines are strong and dependable, they have an awesome Allison tranny and there's many aftermarket products for GM. However on the down side, they also are IFS and really weakend their big look. Now it resembles a Toyota Tacoma. On the other side is Ford SuperDuty. By far the best truck for lifting. It's a solid axle, can handle bigger lifts and bigger tires without switching axles, has the "Big" body to accomodate lifts and look balanced, and there are many aftermarket companies for them too. Put a crew cab Superduty on a 8" Superlift with 39" SuperSwamper meats and you have one truck that can not be beaten in looks. By the way, what's with Dodge's slogan "New mayor in Truckville"? That's pathetic.
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Chris W
Dodge Dakota
12/13/2001
23:09:59
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To Lift It, and Brakes. You guys are what I frequent this forum for. Youre input is well rounded, consise, informative, and entertaining. put forth in a mature fashion thats a pleasure to read. Its nice to read a thread that hasn't been contaminated with bragging, put-downs, insults, and other related non-sense. Dont get too big of a head guys:-}. Anyway, I too think the Ford is the fullsize that looks the best lifted. [specialy with the Powerstroke] Some folks dont like the P-stroke, But I'm kinda partial since I drive one at work, [Ambulance] I do like the Cummins almost as much, though I wish it were an 8cyl. So, 2 questions: 1-Brakes, howd you learn so much about the behind the scenes stuff? 2-Lift It, how do think a lifted Tundra would look?
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Lift It
Dodge Dakota
12/13/2001
23:45:04
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Chris W...I guess I should of mentioned that I too like the P-Stroke engine. With a little bit of tweaking and bolt ons, it responds strongly. As for your question about a Tundra being lifted, I'd say why not? I realize that this is only my opinion but if you do lift a Toyota (and really this applies to all manufactures) think carefully about the height you want to go. For some reason I see many Toyota owners over lifting their trucks. They raise it too high and suddenly the truck doesn't look balanced any longer. But the Tundra is Toyota's big boy (and I'll add much better than the old T-100, but again it's only my opinion). If I was lifting a Tundra I would go 4" maybe 6", but that would be max. Put a set of 35" ProComp Mud Terrains or Swampers under them and you'd have a nice looking rig. Those little slammed pickups would be scurrying out of your way. The one thing I don't know though is how high of a lift you can go with a Tundra and not have to worry about extending your driveline. Maybe someone here has more experience with that than me and could answer that question. Other wise call your local 4x4 shop. Search different web sites for pictures and info on lifted Tundras. Just a side note, are you an EMT or Paramedic? A couple of years ago I completed an EMT course but never entered the field. Just wondering.
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Chris W
Dodge Dakota
12/14/2001
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Thanks for the Info on the Tundra. If I do get a new truck, thats one of the possibilities.
I'm a Paramedic, though now with the EMT-Intermediate curiculum, the only difference is ACLS and Pharmacology.
It's cool that you at least completed the course. who knows maybe you'll save somebodys life with it one day. If youre numbers are still current maybe you could volunteer somewhere?
OK' this is a truck site. If I decide to keep a 4x4 stock, who's truck would you get.[new truck]
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BRAKES
Dodge Dakota
12/14/2001
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Allpar.com and various articles over the years in magazines concerning Chrysler.
Behind the Wheel at Chrysler, Iacocca, The Bob Lutz autobiography, plus there was another really good book about the inner workings of Chrysler but I totally cannot remember the author! Sorry on that one.
The rest is unfortunately painfully obvious.
One only needs to look at business quotes over the past few years and all too often we see statements made by CEOs about how important it is to maximize shareholder value. All too often, that statement indicates that product development will be shortchanged for the short term gain in stock price. IN worse cases, it can often mean the ruin of a good company. Witness TWA, Sunbeam, and others. (Good riddance carl Ichan and Al "chainsaw" dunlap)
In the 60's a Chrysler VP was quoted as saying "it was numbers masturbation; we stroked ourselves until it felt good"
And we wonder why the Big 3 (or is the the gruesome twosome and the battered pretender?)just can't seem to get it together in the quality and durability departments. Ford botches new car launches with distrubing regularity, GM just botches it period, and DC (probably soon to be Daimler anyway) comes out with eye catching designs but drops the ball in long term durability. Small wonder then the imports command so much respect in the marketplace.
Then you throw beancoutners in the skillet with all the other ingredients and its a small wonder we're able to turn out anything that even runs! I think we manage to build cars and trucks in spite of ourselves. I know, for the past 2 1/2 years we had a pure beancounter run our company......nearly into the ground. Beancounters only understand numbers, not what it takes to MAKE those numbers. By nature they are conservative, pessimistic, and abhor risk taking. They prefer to let numbers do the talking and have very little patience for "gut" feelings when it comes to product development.
LEts look at the dakota for examples of inane cost cutting.
1. No grease fittings on the steering linkage.
2. What happened to the v-6 v-8 engine badges?
3 Where is the hood insulation?
4 Plastic fender liners on front and back. BTW the TUNDRA has metal liners.
5. I have heard reports that the once standard full size spare has been replaced with a temp type spare. No option to buy the fullsize spare either.
6. Heard too that the underhood light was nixed. Cannot verify for certain.
AS you can see, beancounters know only how to CUT, not to GROW. Trust me, I work with a couple of beancounters.
Just take a good look at what is going on around you and it will become clear. We have gone from a country of high quality innovators to one which places premium on short term gain. We stopped making quality products cause the typical walmart shopper wants it for as cheap as possible. We don't stand behind our products with durable warranties because we know that boredom will soon set in and joe customer will want another one anyway so who cares if it lasts. When the going gets tough.....we simply get out of the business altogether leaving it there for someone else to make a go of it. Examples, consumer electronics, 35% of the car market (stay tuned, this will get interesting I'm sure) we are going gangbusters in wrecking our once mighty steel industry, pretty much managed to decimate the textile and garment business, and shoes? Good luck in finding a pair of american made ones.
But hey, we all make out on our 401K right? I means its all about return on investment right?
Mimimzie investment, maximize returns right?
I recall a general in the revolutionary war who was quoted as saying "We have met the enemy and it is us"
Seems applicable today doesn't it?
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joe
Dodge Dakota
12/14/2001
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Brakes, a couple of verifications for your post. #5 full size spares are still standard. the wheel no longer matches like it did in my 99. #6 yes, the underhood light has been cancelled.
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BRAKES
Dodge Dakota
12/14/2001
09:34:41
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thanks to Joe for the clarification/correction.
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joe
Dodge Dakota
12/14/2001
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If d/c would only put dodge design together with Mercedes quality. They would gain a lot of market share! imho
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Lesley
GenIII
12/14/2001
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The latest issue of Truckin' has a custom built Mercedes-F-150 hybrid. It's kind of cool, too bad they didn't use the ram as their starting platform.
97 3.9 V6 Sport Club Cab. Black. Auto 3.55
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Autolite 3923s with Borg Warner Wires
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Lift It
Dodge Dakota
12/14/2001
18:51:10
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Chris W...I guess it comes down to what you are going to use your truck for. For example, will you be using it for strictly running around or will you be demanding more from it like towing? In stock form the Tundra is said to be a good ride, though I haven't driven one. But Toyota engines are known for their reliability. Any of the big three (Ford,Chevy,Dodge) would be a good choice when it comes down to it. Only you know what you are looking for in a truck and I'm sure you'll make the best choice for yourself when it comes time to buy. Right now I'm driving a '97 F-150 and love it. It's a great ride from the stock form, however mine is no longer stock. I'm sure the Silverado and Ram would also be good choices. What do you think? Are you leaning towards any in particular yet?
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Chris W
Dodge Dakota
12/15/2001
10:53:18
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I'm not even remotely close to deciding yet. First of all my 95 cc sport shows no sign of dying, and I'm trying REAL hard no to buy cause of boredom or new truck smell or whatever.
My Dakota has 122,000k.-looks/runs great.
Conventional wisdom says keep it as long as its financially beneficial. But the lure of a new truck is VERY strong.
That said I think its narrowed down to the Tundra, or Dakota QC. I'm very familiar with each trucks pros and cons, and I like them both, though I think the Dak looks a little better.
Decisions, decisions.-----
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Chris W
Dodge Dakota
12/15/2001
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Brakes, once again, A very interesting post.
You should write magazine articles or something:-]
Amazing what you can learn from these stupid forums.HAHAHA
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Chris W
Dodge Dakota
12/15/2001
18:59:35
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Brakes, check out Silverbullets post about the lousy options for 02 model trucks.
It's just what you were talking about.
BTW. I'ts in the General discussion forum.
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BRAKES
Dodge Dakota
12/15/2001
19:57:05
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Yup, been there done that.
Guess I should be thankful I got my 2000 before someone put a beancounter in charge of product development.
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BRAKES
Dodge Dakota
12/28/2001
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Yup, been there done that.
Guess I should be thankful I got my 2000 before someone put a beancounter in charge of product development.
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