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TigerDak
Dodge Dakota
7/26/2001
15:59:53
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Gun control? YES! I have control of my guns!
I have a Remington 12-gauge semi-auto. Never once has it jammed on me in 30 years in the family.
Are you guys gun owners?
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andrew
Dodge Dakota
7/26/2001
23:57:20
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Of course I own guns. So far this year I made my first two purchases: A NEF Single Shot 12gauge(weighs a touch over 5lbs. and kicks like a mule!) and a Winchester Model 70(cost me an arm and a leg!). Since I am only 19, at this rate I will be neck deep in guns by the time I am middle age.
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Hawkeye
Gen III
7/27/2001
06:51:23
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Well, I own a couple.
HEHEHEHEHEHEHE.
Sorry, cant help but laugh.
Anyone who read this and knows me will know why.
And yes, I too have perfect control of mine.
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johnc
Gen III
7/27/2001
10:03:36
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Uh Yeah,
The day I lose my gun control is the day that........I really don't want to go there@@!!!!!
Daks and guns are a great combination along with fishing, hunting, offroading, tailgating, OK I'll stop now. Hehe..
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MikeK
Dodge Dakota
7/27/2001
10:22:36
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Daks, guns, jack danials and crystal meth now that's a party!
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andrew
Dodge Dakota
7/27/2001
10:48:51
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Not sure about what MikeK said but johnc took the words right out of my mouth!
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johnc
Gen III
7/27/2001
11:02:29
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Hey Andrew,
I guess most people have more than a few things they feel STRONGLY about.
My Dakota and my firearms are both real high on my list. Just wish I had more time to enjoy them the way I'd like to.
jc
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TigerDak
Dodge Dakota
7/27/2001
13:02:18
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Do any of you guys carry concealed weapons permits, and actually carry a concealed weapon?
I used to have a permit, but never really carried anything. What about you guys?
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johnc
Gen III
7/27/2001
13:21:13
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TigerDak,
Yes I have a permit, had it for many years now.
Concealed carry can be a real pain for a lot of reasons. Comfortable concealed carry is difficult to acheive.
jc
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Hawkeye
Gen III
7/27/2001
16:51:57
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Tigerdak, yes and yes.
I would leave home with out underwear and deoderant before I would my gun.
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swampdak
Gen III
7/27/2001
20:50:04
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We have some of the toughest gun control there is(Can) and there was an article in a toronto newspaper saying the police cant figure out why murders with guns are on the rise DUUUHH!The bad guys have nothing to worry about at my place it would take me 30 min to unlock my 12 guage and get it loaded!!!Mind you my wife feels a little safer!!Just Kidding.
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TigerDak
Dodge Dakota
7/28/2001
00:07:55
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I think its assanine for lawmakers to try to pass a bunch of laws, in an effort to "control crime" or take guns out of the hands of criminals.
Is a criminal going to obey the law and give up his guns? DUH!
The FED's have tried for years to pass laws and hire enforcers to remove drugs from out of the hands of criminals, and they are trying the same route for guns. Hasnt worked yet!
I really believe the day they actually try to confiscate our guns from our homes, is the same day a civil war will start in our country. AND HAWKEYE AND I WILL FIRE THE FIRST SHOTS!
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Hawkeye
Gen III
7/28/2001
08:11:44
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I think you are right. that is one area that, if they actually just outright banned guns and tried to confiscate them, there would be a 2nd Revolutionary war. People would not sit quietly by on that. What a lot of people dont understand is that they may not personally own or even have a use for a gun, but, the 2nd Amendment is the one that provides for and protects all the other rights that they enjoy and love. Without the 2nd amendment there would be nothing to stop the gov from taking away the others. I dont like smoking. I dont like drinking. Butif that is what you want to do, as long as you are not blowing smoke in my or my kids face or driving drunk then thats your decision. There are laws in place to deal with you if you break them. There are laws in place to deal with you if you use a gun wrong. People like to say that there is no "use" for certain types of guns. Why then do you need to own a vehicle that can go 125 mph. The highest public speed limit that I am aware of is 75mph. Deaths from traffic accidents outway gun deaths by a phenominal margin. Yet no one complains about that. Lets make a law that no car or truck can go faster than 55 mph. Only the police could have cars that go faster. That would end high speed police chases, deaths and injuries in accidents would sharply drop because speed would not be as big a factor. Insurance rates would drop. Gas consumption would drop. Drunk drivers would not be able to go as fast thus causing less damage and loss of life when they hit someone. It is against the law to drink and drive but we have drive through liquor stores. How well do you think a drive through gun shop would go over. Do you get the point or should I keep going. I have no use for a fast car. Thats why I like a 4x4. A slow crawl through the woods is great for me. But I dont think the Gov should tell you what kind of car you can have etc. Owning a car is a priviledge that can be revoked. Owning a gun is a Constitutional Right that the Gov can not touch. When I joined the Army, I took an oath to defend the Constitution fo the United States of America and protect it from all enemys both foreign AND DOMESTIC. Just because I am no longer in uniform, I still feel bound by that oath. The day the Gov comes knocking on my door to take my gun is the day they become an enemy of that same constitution. Dangit, you guys got me on my soapbox and now I have rattled off like an idiot. Sorry for taking up so much space.
Hawkeye will now step down off the platform and quietly pass the mic to someone else.
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TigerDak
Dodge Dakota
7/28/2001
12:25:39
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I saw a bumper sticker the other day, it read:
IF GUNS CAUSE CRIME, MATCHES CAUSE ARSON.
That is a good point about making fast cars for street use, when the limit is obviously 75 mph. If our government needs something to do and more laws to pass, I think alcohol has ruined more lives, caused more divorces, started more abuse, killed more people, and can be blamed for more societal havoc than anything else in our society.
Let's pass legislation to make alcohol illegal and start suing the alcohol manufacturers.
(just kidding, but the thought still proves my point about their ridiculous effort to ban guns in an effort to silence the crime in our country!)
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BillyBob
Dodge Dakota
7/28/2001
14:19:08
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Hawkeye as a card carrying lifetime member of the NRA I could not agree with you more. By the way we NRA types define gun control as hitting what you aim at. That is the only true definition.
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Hawkeye
Gen III
7/28/2001
14:35:08
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Oh God, another one of those NRA nuts. HEHEHEHE. My card is right here in my wallet. And yes, gun control is exactly that. Hitting what you want to and not hitting what you dont want to. Glad to see there are others besides myself that love Daks and guns.
To keep your Dak, your guns, and every other right the Constitution gives you, register to vote and join the NRA!
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BillyBob
Dodge Dakota
7/29/2001
10:19:54
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don't just register
VOTE !!!!
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Hawkeye
Gen III
7/29/2001
14:15:05
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Absolutely right BillyBob. I forgot that some people register and then dont ever vote.
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Duke
Dodge Dakota
7/30/2001
13:27:39
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1. The only people effected by gun laws are law-abiding citizens. Hence criminals, those who do not obey the laws, are not effected.
2. The second amendment protects all the other amendments and that is why our founding fathers put it there. They did not create it for the sportsman of America, so they could have the right to hunt. In fact, in their time if you didn't hunt you didn't eat. They created it so citizens could defend themselves from the government. Oops I did not capitalize the g in government that automatically qualifies me for THE drawing. Where the grand prize is an ATF raid of my house. The first runner-up will be getting a Dept of (in)Justice investigation. Wish me luck!!! Oh by the way DODGE RULES!9!9!9!
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Boomer
Dodge Dakota
7/30/2001
14:28:25
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Thought this was a good e-mail from a good friend....
Ed Chenel, a police officer in Australia asked that
> this be put on the Moon list. Ed is a good friend.
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> Hi Yanks,
>
> I thought you all would like to see the real figures from Down Under.
>
> It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced
> by a new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by our
> own government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than $500
> million dollars.
>
> The first year results are now in: Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2
> percent,
> Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6 percent; Australia-wide, armed
> robberies are
> up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent!)
> In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300
> percent.
> (Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the criminals
> did not and criminals still possess their guns!)
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> While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in
> armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the
> past
> 12 months, since the criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is
> unarmed.
>
> There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of
> the elderly. Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public
> safety has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was
> expended in "successfully ridding Australian society of guns."
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> You won't see this data on the American evening news or hear your
> governor or members of the state Assembly disseminating this information.
>
> The Australian experience proves it. Guns in the hands of honest citizens
> save
> lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws affect only the law-abiding
> citizens.
>
> Take note Americans, before it's to late!
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Yo Braintrust
Dodge Dakota
7/30/2001
15:19:31
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Earlier this year, the Australian government lodged an official complaint with the NRA demanding that they pull this misleading video. What the NRA does not tell you is that (1) handgun ownership in Australia has been banned since the early 1900s. The laws that were put into effect in 1997 only affected long guns. (2) Armed robberies may have increased since that time, but the portion of those involving guns actually decreased. Furthermore, the number of gun homicides has also dropped. The NRA fails to take into account any other factors which may contribute to an increase in crime, such as the economy and changes in demographics, and the fact remains that Australia and England still have much lower rates of gun death than the United States
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Braintrust
Dodge Dakota
7/30/2001
15:21:42
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Earlier this year, the Australian government lodged an official complaint with the NRA demanding that they pull this misleading video. What the NRA does not tell you is that (1) handgun ownership in Australia has been banned since the early 1900s. The laws that were put into effect in 1997 only affected long guns. (2) Armed robberies may have increased since that time, but the portion of those involving guns actually decreased. Furthermore, the number of gun homicides has also dropped. The NRA fails to take into account any other factors which may contribute to an increase in crime, such as the economy and changes in demographics, and the fact remains that Australia and England still have much lower rates of gun death than the United States.
Guns don't kill people
people with guns kill people
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TigerDak
Dodge Dakota
7/30/2001
17:53:04
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All I know is this:
The same policians who say the 2nd Ammendment was not intended for machine guns, and uzi's, and those types of weapons, so we should ban all guns...are the SAME policicians who claim that pornography and such filth is guaranteed by the "Right to Free Speech!" (As if the Founding Fathers meant the 1st Ammendment to protect the dirt, sleeze, and filth of pornography!
Am I wrong here?
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Hawkeye
Gen III
7/30/2001
19:38:04
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People dont need guns to kill. They will use whatever means they want to. They use knives, screwdivers, crowbars, baseball bats, rocks, cars, even their bare hands.
That is why the saying is so true- Guns dont kill people, People do. Its as simple as that.
I saw a bumper sticker on a ladys car the other day that read -
"Why is a woman laying dead in an alley, raped, beaten, and strangled with her own underwear morally acceptable, but a woman explaining the 2 bullet holes in her dead attackers chest not?"
If that was your mother, sister, wife, or daughter, which situation would you prefer?
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MikeK
Dodge Dakota
7/30/2001
19:45:24
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Pornography is NOT filth! have you seen the cans on some of these bimbos HUBALABUBBALA!!!!
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HectorH
Dodge Dakota
7/31/2001
00:33:55
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You boys love to wrap yourselves up in the flag and constitution. But what about the first how do you feel anout those who disagree with you? Would you fight for me to have the right to disagree with you? or would you follow human nature and escalate the argument until you pull out the 12 gauge and blow me away. I've lost three of my cousins to guns my cousin Martin was eight when he found his dads gun a 38 taurus. My cousin Pepe was fourteen when his partner and him were playing with his dads 45-he didn't know it was loaded. Finally, my cousin Luis pissed off the wrong boy and got shot on the door step of his house. So you'll have to parden me when I disagree with you.
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Hawkeye
Gen III
7/31/2001
07:13:58
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Hector you do have the right to disagree. And yes I would still fight for that right. That is what the 1st amend is for. The 2nd Amend protects the 1st and your right to disagree. Sorry for your losses. I wish the owners of those guns would have shown more adult responsibility of keeping them where they could not have been accessed by the wrong hands. However, I do not believe that everyone should have to pay for the mistakes of others. I am human and it is not my nature to pull out my 12ga and blow you away because of an argument. The only way you will ever see the business end of any of my weapons is if you are trying to injure or kill me or another person or take my property.
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andrew
Dodge Dakota
7/31/2001
21:09:44
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Hector, maybe if the owners of those guns were a litle more responsible, those kids wouldnt ahve lost their lives.
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TigerDak
Dodge Dakota
8/02/2001
02:33:51
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Hector, it's never good news to hear about tragic family losses, regardless of how they lost their lives. I don't know the exact numbers or statistics, but the more people in areas that own weapons such as firearms, the less crime there is. I can think of a few Western states that have pro-gun laws and the crime there is nothing like some of the eastern states. Also, Washington DC, which has the most strict gun laws in the USA, is always in the top 3 list for highest gun deaths.
Is there a direct correlation? Perhaps. I am not a scientist and dont claim to be. I have heard (could be true or false!) that the country of Switzerland has laws the REQUIRE firearms in every home. Their crime is almost zilch.
I think here in the US of A there should be more pro-gun laws, but also have more gun teaching and education available for people to learn how to shoot one, control one, clean one, and store one in the home.
Well its late and I'm rambling on and on....Just my $.02
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Hawkeye
Gen III
8/02/2001
07:21:15
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Tiger you are right. The Swiss have to own and qualify with a Fully Automatic Sig 510 or 550 twice a year. The qualifications are a big festival.
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johnc
Gen III
8/02/2001
08:20:45
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Hey Hawkeye,
Can I go to that festival? That sounds like FUN!!!
jc
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Hawkeye
Gen III
8/02/2001
17:49:13
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I wish. I would love to go to one. From the pictures I have seen it looks like a blast.
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Joe
Dodge Dakota
9/01/2001
12:55:28
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Im am with Duke. If the feds get into gun control too heavily, it could be a terrible probles for law obiding citizens. Personally, I own multiple guns. A Chinese SKS, Russian AK -74,a Mouser, a 9mm High point pistol, a Marlin .22, and a 12 gauge. I would hate to loose any of them. Any body who actually thinks criminals go to a registered gun shop to purchase a firearm is a moron. Like an osterage with his head in the ground. They are too traceable. These criminal get their "stuff" from black market, untraceable sources. Gun control is a farce! It would limit law obiding citizes ability to defend themselves against these criminal thugs! The feds are simply looking for a route to take that they believe will releave some of the public preassure to fight crime. I mean, DUAH, take guns away, no more crime. YEAH thats believeable. hey, govt., not very well planned.
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MikeK
Dodge Dakota
9/01/2001
15:26:45
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I know I feel alot safer that you're armed to the teeth with assault rifles! Oh yea! Let's let every non-spelling moron who can fill out an FOI card have assault weapons. Good idea!
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ROB
Dodge Dakota
9/01/2001
19:27:38
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gun control, it means using both hands and having a proper sight picture... LOL
just a little humor...
ROB
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Hawkeye
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9/01/2001
19:39:46
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Mike, Joe doesnt own any assault weapons. It has been illegal for the general public to own assault weapons for many many years without a class 3 Federal permit or paying a one time federal tax stamp with which the buyer has to undergo extreme personal background checks. Oh yeah, in case you are wondering, an assault weapon is a selective fire weapon capable of fully automatic fire (or in modern terms full aout, tri burst, double burst, or any fire rate which fire more than one round with one pull of the trigger). Just because a weapon looks like an assault weapon does not make it one. No more than a Dak with R/T stickers makes it an R/T. I traded in my 99 F150 on my Dak. If I had put a lowered suspesion, Decals, bumper, etc on it that said Lightning, would that have made it a Lightning?? It would look like a lightning so I guess it would have been one right? Oh, but you say the engine and basically everything that makes it go is different? Of course. Just like everything that makes a weapon work is different between an assault rifle and one that looks like it. This is not a flame post, just trying to clear up any misconceptions. I used to work in our Sherrifs office property room and I can tell you that those are not the weapons that criminals use. I have seen first hand what they use.
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TigerDak
Dodge Dakota
9/04/2001
00:39:14
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Hey Hawkeye, what is the most common type of weapon used in crime if you have prior experience seeing that stuff first hand? Knives? bats? rocks? vehicles? If the answer is "guns", what type do they use?
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THEUFO1
Dodge Dakota
9/04/2001
00:54:50
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If you live in the states, it is a free country right...then we should ba able to shoot people. Just like lions kill rabbits. People are no different than normal animals. Its survival of the fittist!
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MikeK
Dodge Dakota
9/04/2001
17:34:42
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Oh I'm sorry a chinese SKS and a russion AK-47 just sond like assault weapons. What did I just fall off the turnip truck? Sh1t if if you can convert an ar-15 to full auto with a file and a sear pin I have no doubt that a similar modification can do it for "street legal" semi auto assult rifles. I mean what do you use the for hunting bunnies? Oh I forgot you gotta be prepared for the upcomming apocolypse, or the RA-HO-WA, or what ever paranoid delusion caused you to dig that bomb shelter in the back yard and stock up on dehydrated chicken ala king. Hawkeye if you are a cop just who do you think that these assault weapons are for-you my freind. You are a representative of the govt. If in the perfomance of your duties, what whould you rathe be shot with a 38 snub nose or 6 5.62mm full metal jacket ball rounds fired from a "modified" AR-15? Beleive me I think hunting is a good thing. But, a guy's balls grow in propotion to the size of their weapons. Why do you think that we're modding our trucks? Just my $0.02
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Hawkeye
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9/04/2001
19:15:02
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You miss the entire piont. They operate no different than any other gas operated rifle. They cannot be converted quite that easily. Any semi-automatic weapon can be made to fire mor ethan 1 round per pull of the trigger, but not reliably without the right parts. Possession of any of one of those parts in a weapon makes it a class III weapon, whether or not it will fire full auto. That would be a federal felony if you were not properly liscensed. I happen to use my AR-15's to hunt deer and many other animals as a 5.56mm (.223) is a very effective round without damaging and rendering un-edible very much meat. Sorry to have ruffled any feathers but fact is fact. In 3 years of property and evidence work in a city of over 1 million people I saw 3 of your so called "assault weapons" come into our property room that were involved in criminal cases. Only 1 directly involved the weapon itself being fired.
Tiger, to answer your question, it was mainly small, cheap quality .22 revolvers, .22 autos, .25, .32, .380 auto's, once in a while 38 revolvers and once in a blue moon a cheap no name 9mm or .357. The vast majority of them werent capable of firing more than a few rounds before they would jam anyway. If I dont "need" a rifle that looks like what you are calling an assualt weapon, then why do we need cars capable of going more than 50 mph. That would cut down on traffic fatalities (responsible for a lot more deaths than guns), drunk driving accidents because they wouldnt be able to drive as fast or do as much damage when they did wreck, high speed police chases (easier to catch criminals), etc, etc. Where do you need a corvette or a camaro, etc, that can go 120+ mph. There is no where in the U.S. that you can legally drive that fast on public roadways. Insurance rates would sharply drop as injuries and deaths would do the same. Last time I checked, owning a car was a privilege, not a constitutional right. It is against the law to drink and drive yet we have drive through liquor stores. Why not a drive through gun store? Yeah, right, that would fly! When someone can effectivly and logically explain the above to me, and 3 US senators, 2 US Rep's, and 2 State senators have yet to be able to provide an answer, then I will THINK about changing my views. As for now, I can protect my family, my neighbors if need be, and put meat on my table at any time. I will not apologize for being so long winded here as people must realize that the 2nd amendment is the one that protects evry other amendment that exists. Without itm the others could be taken away in the blink of an eye and there would not be a thing anyone could do about it.
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Mac10
Dodge Dakota
9/04/2001
20:34:24
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Hawkeye, Spoken like a true Patriot. The ignorance of gun control advocates never ceases to amaze me. I had a guy the other day tell me "why do citizens need guns for protection, that is what 911 is for." A lot of the ranchers here in southern Arizona dont have that luxury. Along with all the illegal imigrants that trapse across thier property, They also get a lot of drug runners. a lot of these ranchers only local law enforcement is thier AR15. All 911 can do is get you to a hospital, hopefully in time to pull the criminals slugs out of you chest. Gun control advocates never think about the millions of americans that live in remote areas, where hunting or protection from bears or mountain lions is a part of every day life. I routinely hike the canyons near my home, and when I do I carry a Pistol to keep the Javelinas(bore) off my dog. and to scare off the occasional Mountain lion. Last year my neighbor and I hiked a local canyon with our dogs and this one time I did not take a pistol. A pack of Javelina attacked my neighbors dog and nearly tore him to shreds. All we could do was watch. Luckely we got him to a vet in time. A year later the dog is still a mess.
MikeK, where were you then and your precious law enforcement.
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