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Hawkeye
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12/30/2001
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But of course.
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TigerDak
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1/02/2002
17:40:29
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I'm already thinking about pheasant season and duck season this next Fall! I'd like to get a goose, too.
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GUNMAN
Dodge Dakota
1/02/2002
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Just bought two hi cap magazines for my smith and wesson.
NEver can tell how many bin laden wannabes are out there.
also bought them just so I can thumb my nose at Billary and Chucky (the two esteemed sinators from NY)
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Hawkeye
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1/02/2002
19:29:16
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I always like reasons to tick off a liberal!
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GUNMAN
Dodge Dakota
1/02/2002
20:38:13
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Best way to piss off a liberal?
Easy.
Just stand up for you rignts, especially the second amendment.
Thats sure to get a rise out of them.
Oh, don't forget personal responsibility however you might have to explain that concept to them.
Tiger Dak, try bismuth for waterfowl. Its expensivce, but I hear first hand it performs just like lead and really brings em down!
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TigerDak
Dodge Dakota
1/03/2002
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I'm not familiar with bismuth, but in Idaho they passed a law saying shotgun "shot" must be steel, rather than lead. Too many ducks would nibble on the lead BB's and get poisoning, so they made everybody change to using steel. Its a good law and nobody raised a fuss out of it. What is bismuth anyway?
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CThomp
Dodge Dakota
1/03/2002
10:04:25
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Thats why I went Independent when I registered. Now I can just piss everyone off (liberals and conservatives) in debates. I have no qualms against gun owners though...I am one. I want to get a muzzle loader next. Those things are fun to shoot. Muzzle loaders feel alot more sporting too. You only get one shot.
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GUNMAN
Dodge Dakota
1/03/2002
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you won't like steel once you start going after pheasants at 35 yards with 6 shot! And wounding or missing them.
Bismuth is a heavy non toxic metal that is ok to use for waterfowl yet it flies like lead. Steel does not have the ballistics qualities of lead, ie its not as dense (unlike liberals which are dense) therefore it does not pack the downrange kill power of lead.
Bismuth,while VERY expensive, does pack the power of lead but without the danger of killing Donald Duck or Daffy when he eats stuff from the lake.
Also, steel shot does not pattern well at all when compared to lead. I suggest using a more open choke for steel shot to prevent shot strings.
Good luck.
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Dr Q
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1/03/2002
20:12:16
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Hey GUNMAN do you EVER talk about trucks?
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GUNMAN
Dodge Dakota
1/03/2002
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Yes, I do. WHen the mood strikes me.
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andrew
Dodge Dakota
1/03/2002
21:54:42
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Wow, this thread is going on and on and on. So do you guys shoot anything besides shotguns?
hawkeye,
Have you taken you latest AR out yet to do some shooting on any live targets? I know of a few coyotes would would benefit from meeting up with a 53gr. V-Max out of that .223 and TONS of crows. Too bad the morons here in Ca wont let me buy one. Oh well, I am pretty partial to a solid bolt action with the Model 70 my favorite but if I had the cash, maybe a Sako.
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TigerDak
Dodge Dakota
1/03/2002
22:27:16
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I've been thinking about getting out my Dad's 25th Anniversary Smith & Wesson .357 Magnum. There's just something about a "Magnum" gun that goes hand in hand with a Dakota!
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Hawkeye
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1/04/2002
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No Andrew. Havent had a chance recently. Just got my Disspator back from getting a little work done on it and will be going out to re-zero sometime in the next week or so.
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GUNMAN
Dodge Dakota
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1/08/2002
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Hawk has to cancel his internet service at home.
Its up to us remaining to carry the banner for individual rights to own and operatre firearms!
Lets do HAWK proud and stand up for our rights!
GOd Bless HAWK & AMERICA
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Hawkeye
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1/08/2002
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Had to get one more post in on this thread.
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GUNMAN
Dodge Dakota
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1/15/2002
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Glad to see you back Hawkeye!
May your guns be close at hand when needed and your ammo fire straight and true and leave minimal residue in your firearm
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TigerDak
Dodge Dakota
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1/18/2002
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This morning, there was an attempted burglary about a quarter mile from my house. An officer came to the scene, and the suspect took off. When that happened, the policeman called for backup. Somehow it became a footrace, and then the other officer showed up. At that time, the guy pulled out a gun and shot the first officer in the left arm. He responded by shooting the suspect in the chest and he dropped dead.
THIS ISNT SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD!
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GUNMAN
Dodge Dakota
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1/18/2002
16:58:15
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All the more reason to arm yourself and practice practice and practice.
May I recommend hollow point rounds for maximum stopping power?
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12GA.Dak
Dodge Dakota
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1/22/2002
20:11:59
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Hi - Great website! I just ordered my Black 2002 QC 4.7 4x4 5spd late last month. Its my first Dodge truck (previously owned a 1971 F100 - 3 on the tree/fun truck - around 20 years ago)and I'm waiting impatiently for its arrival. In the meantime, I'll be checking out rifles at the Albany Gun Show (Albany, NY) this weekend (1/26 & 1/27). I've been doing some Coyote hunting (won't the Dak come in handy for this!)and am thinking about a 30-30 - probably a Model 94 Winchester. Any recommendations?
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GUNMAN
Dodge Dakota
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1/22/2002
21:35:53
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welcome to 12 ga dak....you can join other americans in support of the second amendment as well as talk about dakotas and whatever else.
Cannot offer advice on a rifle as I don't own one now but if I had to buy one tomorrow, I would get a 30.06 probably a Savage..gun tests magazine has written good stuff on Savage and the riles accuracy.
Personally, I like the idea of a 12 ga slug with a .357 for "close encounters"
But to each his own...the important thing is that you are exercising your constitutional right to own a firearm.
Maybe others can weigh in on what is a best rifle for this guy?
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TigerDak
Dodge Dakota
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1/22/2002
22:07:43
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I remember the good 'ol days of hunting Jack Rabbits, under permission and encouragement from the local Fish N Game. Too many rabbits eating too many crops and too many other wild game feed, like deer and so forth. Anyways, for coyotes, I'd consider using something larger than a .22, and semi-automatic! NO BOLT ACTIONS - TOO SLOW!
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12GA.Dak
Dodge Dakota
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1/23/2002
11:51:22
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Thanks GUNMAN. I've been using a Remington 12gauge 5-shot semi-auto (2 slugs followed by 00 buck for close encounters) but want something that won't wrip up the pelts. Will the 30.06 leave gaping holes too?
And TigerDak, the snowshoes are still a lot of fun to pop. Thats one of the reasons I've taken up coyotes as I've noticed a lot fewer bunnies around and many more coyotes. Time to take back my hunting grounds.
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Chris W
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1/23/2002
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12G., I think a 30-06 would be too much for coyote. I would probly go for a 223 Rem. You can find a lot of sweet semi-auto rifles in this caliber. I have an AR-15A2 HBAR, and it works great on coyote.
The Ruger mini 14 is also a good choice but kinda pricey for the 30 rd mags/ thanks to the slickster!
Gunman, good advice on the HP's- I carry a well worn Glock 17 for protection stocked with Fed Hydra-shok in 124g in winter, and Corbon 115g in summer. reason being i dont want the lighter, faster load to get slowed by heavy winter clothing. [ you'd be surprised what a heavy leather coat will do to reduce the energy of a light round designed to fragment in the body.
I know the 9mm is kinda small, but the Hydra-Shok has a good street record. do you have any other choices in 9 ? The Glaser is out due to price.
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GUNMAN
Dodge Dakota
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1/23/2002
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I haven't messed much with my 9MM. My pistol experience covers the .357 and I used to reload a ton of ammo until I moved out and got my own place. But back then, I scored some black talons in 170 grain and sat them on top of a nice charge of Unique powder. The accuracy was good but boy did they kick. The damage the inflicted on some gelatin and even some wood was eye opening. I keep those back for defense rounds. My best load was a 125 gr JHP winchester over some W231 in Rem cases with CCI primers. Excellent velocity and retained energy downrange and not much smoke.
I haven't had any experience with Hydra shocks but I have read good reviews on them.
Both my pistols are S&W.
ONe mossberg, one winchester and one Benelli shotgun, 12, 20, 12.
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12GA.Dak
Dodge Dakota
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1/23/2002
20:43:11
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Chris W, thanks for the input - I'm trying to kill two birds with one stone with this rifle. I'd like the gun to serve double-duty as a companion during white tail hunting as well. I'm not familiar with AR-15A2 HBAR. Can you tell me more about it?
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andrew
Dodge Dakota
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1/23/2002
21:56:28
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Wow, glad to see another coyote hunter here.
For coyote it depends on what action you would prefer.
Bolt action-Winchester Model 70 "coyote" in 22-250.
Semi-auto-AR15 in .223(what else?)
Pump-Browning BAR in .243win
Single-shot-Ruger No.1 in .22-250,.223,.243
Sorry, lever action 30-30's wouldnt make good coyote guns unless its up close and then you could use a 12ga. with no.4 buckshot
A 30-06 may or may not mess up the pelt too bad, it depends on where you hit them and with what you hit em' with.
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Chris W
Dodge Dakota
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1/23/2002
22:00:28
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Ive always wanted to hand load. Back when I was single I almost got a Dillon press. You can really come up with some good loads on youre own.
sounds like youv'e cooked up a few zingers!
I love my 9 but to tell you the truth, I'd rather have something with more energy. So, I'm looking into the new Glock single stack 45acp. I forget the number, 36 or something.
Anyhoo, the AR-15A2 HBAR is the heavy barrel version of the civilian version of the Gen 2 M-16A2.
Actually mine is made by Armalite and is post ban, but has a somewhat effective flashhider permanently fitted to the barrel. IMO, the Armalite receiver is the best there is followed by Bushmaster and Colt. My rifle has a 1 in 9 twist, so it'll eat any 223 ammo you put in it. Stay away from AR's with the 1 in 7 twist cause you can only shoot the ss 109 crap through it. It spins the 55gr loads off target. My rifle also has the new rear sight setup,- I shoot iron sights now till I figure out what scope to get- VERY accurate! HBAR just means heavy barrel for more accuracy. It weighs about 2 lbs more than standard AR, but for long range hitting it's great. I payed about $700 Am very happy!
G-man, Dude, I LOVE Benelli shotguns, have you checked the prices lately? WAY up there.
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GUNMAN
Dodge Dakota
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1/24/2002
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As their ads say, "Performance worth the price"
Yup, they are bucks. But at least they are not built to a price like Mossberg.
My goal is the SBE in 12ga 28 inch barrel for waterfowl.
My NOVA had been to he77 and back and still fires like a champ. Patterns real nice too! Its lethal on waterfowl! Even with steel shot but bismuth really reaches out there and brings em down!
I heard pretty good things about Dillion presses. DONT get LEE. Been there, done that. They are cheaper than others, but you get what you pay for.
Personlly, I like the Hornady lock-n-load AP press. Lee dies are pretty good however.
I'd like to check into an AR -15 ya know, just to have one.
QUote for the day.......P*ss off a liberal, buy a gun!
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Hawkeye
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1/24/2002
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Since AR's are my specialty (well, along with 1 or 2 others), I have to chime in here. They can be very effective rifles for small game. There are a number of good brands available in a miriad of configurations. Bushmaster, Rock River, Knights, Armalite, Cavalry Arms, and of course Colt, just to name a few. I am a die hard Bushmaster fan. Have a couple of them. For small game hunting one of Bushmasters new Varmit rifle's would be perfect.
Not being picky Chris but in an effort to keep the ATF from your door, I suspect that what is on yours is a muzzle break and not a flash suppressor. They are a bit different and you cant have a flash suppressor on a post ban rifle.
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12GA.Dak
Dodge Dakota
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1/24/2002
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Looks like I came to the right place! How about opinions on the M1 Garand? Again, for coyotes and whitetails. I know I'll have some hoops to jump through in order to take possession, but I know I'll be looking at some this weekend at the gun show.
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Hawkeye
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1/24/2002
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Garands are great guns. I think that 30-06 is a bit much for a coyote but it will definitely do the job. Good for deer too. 5 round CLIPS are available for Garands to make them legal for hunting in places with those kind of restrictions.
And since you got me on the subject, this is a pet peave of mine. Their is a difference between a CLIP and a MAGAZINE. Garands use a clip. Rifles such as an AR use a magazine. Semi-automatic handguns use magazines with a few exceptions.
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GUNMAN
Dodge Dakota
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1/24/2002
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And........
.......nothing better than reading my favorite gun magazine while on the throne!
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Chris W
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1/24/2002
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Hawkeye, to tell you the truth, I'm not sure what it is. all I know is it was on the gun when I bought it. If your'e familiar with the new Armalite's then maybe you could tellme what you think it is. You know how all the postban AR's have the plain barrel? well i think its unique that there is something on the end that actually seems to work. { at night the flash seeems to come out of the little slots in the side of device{3 on each side} ? but then its awful loud, so maybe its a break?? I'm not sure.
Speaking of AR's my buddy has a Preban busmaster CAR-15 with the long flashhider on the tip, collapsible stock, bayonet lug, SWEET!
I'm with you on the clip mag thing. It's a pet peeve with most knowleagable gun owners, but at least it helps weed out the posers!
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12GA.Dak
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1/24/2002
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Hawkeye, for my situation (coyote/whitetail)your pick between the Bushmaster Varminter and the M1 Garand would be ....? Also, do you think I'll be able to score a Bushmaster for less than $900?
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andrew
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1/24/2002
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chris w,
it sounds like abreak to me
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Hawkeye
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1/24/2002
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12ga, I would take the AR for the fact that it has less recoil and ammo is much cheaper which means more practice time. Not sure what the Bushmaster Varmit rifle's are going for. You could possibly get a standard 20 inch V-match for really close to $900, would depend on your dealer.
Chris, if its an Armalite, its a muzzle brake. Funny, we cant have a flash suppressor (which serves only to minimize muzzle flash, and most modern ammo is loaded with flash retardent powder anyway) but we can have a muzzle brake (which helps to stabilize the bullet, reduces muzzle rise, reduces recoil, all of which allow the rifle to be fired faster and more accurately). Muzzle brakes just dont "look" as evil as a flash suppressor. Go figure.
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12GA.Dak
Dodge Dakota
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1/24/2002
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Well I stopped by the local gunshop this afternoon and checked out a few rifles. They had a sweet looking Ruger Ranch rifle .223 which I can get for $500. I also checked out a Bushmaster AR which I can get for $800. Thats a great looking rifle. The rifle that really made me smile though was the M1 Garand. I'd never held one before - it's heft really surprised me! But it is one impressive looking piece of artillary. I could get one for around $800 - but I don't think I'd like to lug something that heavy around all day. Now I'm leaning toward a getting .223 for coyotes and saving up for another rifle for whitetail season.
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Chris W
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1/24/2002
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I know what you mean about the heft of the Garand, Its a nice rifle. Used to be able to get them a lot cheaper. Oh, the good old days of 450.00$ AR-15's and 20.00$ Hi-cap Glock mags!! Remember when you could pick up an SKS for 65.00$!!?
Any way If you get the 223, you can get target ammo in bricks at gun shows for a good price, let us know which one you get.
You know , I really want an M-14, 20 rds of 308 would make a mighty fine defensive rifle! :-}
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GUNMAN
Dodge Dakota
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1/24/2002
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Man, I'd love a garand! I even got my thumb caught in the receiver at a gun show once. My dad said thats the first and last time you do that with an M1!!!!!
MILTECH used to sell refurbed units for around 899 bucks, but when I checked last, they were over 1000....supply and demand I guess.
God, guns, and guts made america!
Lets keep all three!
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andrew
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1/24/2002
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Thos M-1's arent cheap. I would go with the .223 but I hope its not in a ruger mini-14, is it? the only reason I ask is everyone who owns one says they arent a rifle for accuracy. they are harder than hell(if even possible) to get any tight groups from. Dont you like bolt actions?
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