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DarkFury
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5/22/2001
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I guess I am kinda sad right now...
I went to see my "installer" at Circuit City today.
He basically showed me what he was talking about with an MTX Thunder202 amp (probably one of the "shortest" amps available with decent power). He put this amp underneath my passenger seat and basically tried to slide the seat back down the track...and guess what...
It couldn't move past the amp, at least without forcing over the unit. The amp was too tall (or the seat was too low) in the back. So basically unless you get a really small "D" class amp, putting one in that location is almost a "no go" (unless you don't mind your equipment getting beat up everytime someone tries to move the seat).
The other "bad thing" is that the loaded speaker box contains two 2 8 Ohm speakers... which presents a 4 Ohm load to an amp when wired up properly.
Well, to get a good "D" class amp to work well, you have to get down to at least a 2 Ohm load (by having two 4 Ohm speakers instead of two 8 Ohm speakers).
MTX in their "great wisdom" only allows the 8 Ohm version of the 6000 in these boxes (with no option to substitute 4 Ohm versions), and to get an amp that pushes enough power at 4 Ohms but is small enough to fit in such a cramped space is next to impossible!
I am so bummed out right about now. I really don't want to get the "amped" version of the Thunderform, but since I can't proper fit a real amp in the truck, I guess I don't really have much of a choice. It's either that or not at all.
Maybe later on down the road, either MTX will allow 4 Ohm speakers in their box or I can save enough money to buy the unloaded box and get some 4 Ohm 6000s myself and a decent "small" amp to push them.
Man this just sucks... I just wanna scream!
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PeTeR F.
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5/22/2001
01:35:42
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Is Friday too late? I want one but get paid on Friday. I want the box with subs. Please put me down for one. Question, does paypal except checks? If they do i can do it now. Thanks
PeTeR F.
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Geoff
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5/22/2001
14:25:30
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I fit a US Acoustics USX2100 under the drivers seat with only minor fit problems. I think it 13 X 9.5 X 2.5 or close to that. The seat has full movement and the amp does not touch any metal
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Glen
Gen III
5/22/2001
19:31:15
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Come on people! I need some thunderform lovin! hehe, not that im trying to pressure any of you to get in on this AMAZING deal, but dont make me said the boys after ya all! Hehehe
'01, CC, SLT, 4.7, Auto, 3.55 LS
Gibson single catback. Z-tube.
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Horbedarn
Gen I
5/23/2001
01:15:55
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Is it too late to get in on the group buy?
2000, CC, SLT, 4x4, 4.7, 3.55, Auto
Exhaust, Air Intake, TBI Spacer
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DarkFury
Dodge Dakota
5/23/2001
15:26:28
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Maybe I got the Dakota CC with the "extra low" seats huh? Cause I just don't see any way to fit an amp longer than 10" inches or taller than 2 inches under the seat.
What was suggested to me was to modify the "jack area" on the box and put an amp in there... I may have to look into that.
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Bernd
Gen III
5/23/2001
17:32:49
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The best configuration i've seen with the Thunderforms is a person on the R/T list (and in Dallas) who modified his seat to fit the cross-overs in the actual wood under the seat and the amps in the middle of the Thunderform box. (MTX leaves a space between the speakers for the factory jack and tire-iron.)
1997 Dodge Dakota SLT - V6
Supercharged @ 10#
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Geoff
Dodge Dakota
5/23/2001
18:33:44
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Horbedarn !!!
not too late email RedDak ASAP
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PeTeR F.
Dodge Dakota
5/25/2001
11:50:22
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Ouch! Quit twisting my leg, jk. I sent mine in too. I can't believe this price. This is the best deal i've seen. Its so amazing cause I went to Circuit City like two weeks ago, $369(loaded)!!! Over a hundred bucks off. Please get in on this one.
PeTeR F.
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Geoff
Dodge Dakota
5/25/2001
16:33:14
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I think we are VERY close to the magic number !!!
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Jamie Deacon
Dodge Dakota
5/25/2001
17:15:00
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I think we only need like 2 people more. Let's do it.
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Jamie Deacon
Dodge Dakota
5/25/2001
17:15:47
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I think we only need like 2 people more. Let's do it.
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RedDak
Dodge Dakota
5/26/2001
03:30:00
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Ok guys ONE MORE ORDER and we can put it through. So if you are thinking order now and these ship out!!! You can order via paypal at www.paypal.com use my email address at JJJJJJFOX@AOL.COM
Unloaded 175.00
Loaded 260.00
Amped 380.00
Jonas Janek
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Geoff
Dodge Dakota
5/26/2001
04:49:24
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YYYEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSS!!!!
SO, SO, close
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RedDak
Dodge Dakota
5/26/2001
18:30:23
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REALLY JUST ONE MORE ORDER!!! IM WAITING.
Jonas
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Bernd
Gen III
5/26/2001
18:52:33
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Let me know if you don't get one more by Tuesday. I'll take care of the last one for ya.
1997 Dodge Dakota SLT - V6
Supercharged @ 10#
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Geoff
Dodge Dakota
5/28/2001
01:51:57
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Are these really shipping Tuesday?
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RedDak
Dodge Dakota
5/29/2001
22:48:37
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Ok, the orders are in!!!! Thanks to everyone who ordered, and to those who havent and still want to the group buy will still be going for a limited time, so please contact me asap.
Jonas Janek
JJJJJJFOX@AOL.COM
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Geoff
Dodge Dakota
6/03/2001
03:14:11
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any word yet?
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RedDak
Dodge Dakota
6/03/2001
08:36:24
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The original orders left MTX on Tuesday, May 29th. They Have to ship to the distributor. From they should arrive on Monday. They will be individually sent out on monday to you. Sorry for the long wait, but I said it may take up to a maxinum of two weeks before they arrive. The reason for this is that the boxes each weigh over 50 lbs and they are the size of your back seat. If you wanted them shipped faster then the cos would raise exponentially. BUT I know how you feel, I cant wait either.
Jonas
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RedDak
Dodge Dakota
6/07/2001
11:04:15
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Who has recieved theirs??? Geoff told me his came yesterday, If anyone else wants in Tell me asap, I have to end the group buy, and I need to get started on some others, so if you want one email me.
Jonas
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Steve Reill
Dodge Dakota
6/13/2001
10:25:46
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I want in on the unloaded box. Is it too late?
Email me and let me know please. Thanks
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RedDak
Dodge Dakota
6/13/2001
18:45:54
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Its not too late, but you have very little time. Email me asap!
Jonas Janek
JJJJJJFOX@AOL.COM
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steve Reill
Dodge Dakota
6/14/2001
13:06:44
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ok, I emailed you..whats up?
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Steve Reill
Dodge Dakota
6/15/2001
14:45:41
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Jonas, You still with us??
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RedDak
Dodge Dakota
6/16/2001
08:04:48
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Steve, sorry I didnt get your email. If you sent it to groupbuys.. then thats probally why. Email me at JJJJJJFOX@AOL.COM or call me at 618-406-7658
Jonas
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Steve Reill
Dodge Dakota
6/18/2001
09:02:48
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OK Jonas, I sent the 260.00 via paypal...I read your e mail this morning and will sent the extra 5 bucks,,thanks..pls let me know when the order is placed.
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Steve Reill
Dodge Dakota
6/18/2001
09:08:13
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OK Jonas, I sent the 260.00 via paypal...I read your e mail this morning and will sent the extra 5 bucks,,thanks..pls let me know when the order is placed.
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Steve R
Dodge Dakota
6/20/2001
10:33:28
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Hey Jonas, can you please e mail me and verify that the order has been placed? Thanks
Steve
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Dave M
Dodge Dakota
6/25/2001
18:41:55
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I assume I missed the time to order? Any idea of when there might be another?
Dave
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DodgedogJB
Dodge Dakota
6/26/2001
19:14:29
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I have several bits of info for you. The first is that the MTX subs sound damn good with 300 watts total RMS power. I was a little hesitant about the 4 ohm load the subs present but when you bridge it the amp sees a 2 ohm load. I run the sub package off a Soundstream Reference 300. It fits under the driver seat with no problems.
There is also another amp location that is available if you are willing to take a little time to make it work right. I have a large 4 channel Alpine amp under the rear driver-side speaker. The catch is that it is inside the body of the truck behind the pannel. I had to cut a very small peice of sheet metal to get it to fit. The amp is bolted to the interior sheet metal. The screws run through rubber feet to help absorb vibration. I can post a picture of it if you like. The best part about this setup is that a) it takes up none of the usable space in your truck b) no one would ever know to look there if they wanted to steal it. I have had zero problems with this setup and I have done some hard offroading.
If you respond you are going to have to speak up so I can hear you over the bass! "Make ground go boom"
99 Dakota 5.2 Club Cab Full Time Transfer Case
MSD 6A
PRM Air Filter Charger
Pioneer Head Unit / 6 Disc Changer
Boston Pro 5.4 Front, Diamond Motorsport 6.5 Rear
Alpine 60W Four Channel
MTX ThunderTENS
Soundstream Reference 300
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DodgedogJB
Dodge Dakota
6/26/2001
19:19:11
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I have several bits of info for you. The first is that the MTX subs sound damn good with 300 watts total RMS power. I was a little hesitant about the 4 ohm load the subs present but when you bridge it the amp sees a 2 ohm load. I run the sub package off a Soundstream Reference 300. It fits under the driver seat with no problems.
There is also another amp location that is available if you are willing to take a little time to make it work right. I have a large 4 channel Alpine amp under the rear driver-side speaker. The catch is that it is inside the body of the truck behind the pannel. I had to cut a very small peice of sheet metal to get it to fit. The amp is bolted to the interior sheet metal. The screws run through rubber feet to help absorb vibration. I can post a picture of it if you like. The best part about this setup is that a) it takes up none of the usable space in your truck b) no one would ever know to look there if they wanted to steal it. I have had zero problems with this setup and I have done some hard offroading.
If you respond you are going to have to speak up so I can hear you over the bass! "Make ground go boom"
99 Dakota 5.2 Club Cab Full Time Transfer Case
MSD 6A
PRM Air Filter Charger
Pioneer Head Unit / 6 Disc Changer
Boston Pro 5.4 Front, Diamond Motorsport 6.5 Rear
Alpine 60W Four Channel
MTX ThunderTENS
Soundstream Reference 300
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DodgedogJB
Dodge Dakota
6/26/2001
19:21:31
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I have several bits of info for you. The first is that the MTX subs sound damn good with 300 watts total RMS power. I was a little hesitant about the 4 ohm load the subs present but when you bridge it the amp sees a 2 ohm load. I run the sub package off a Soundstream Reference 300. It fits under the driver seat with no problems.
There is also another amp location that is available if you are willing to take a little time to make it work right. I have a large 4 channel Alpine amp under the rear driver-side speaker. The catch is that it is inside the body of the truck behind the pannel. I had to cut a very small peice of sheet metal to get it to fit. The amp is bolted to the interior sheet metal. The screws run through rubber feet to help absorb vibration. I can post a picture of it if you like. The best part about this setup is that a) it takes up none of the usable space in your truck b) no one would ever know to look there if they wanted to steal it. I have had zero problems with this setup and I have done some hard offroading.
If you respond you are going to have to speak up so I can hear you over the bass! "Make ground go boom"
99 Dakota 5.2 Club Cab Full Time Transfer Case
MSD 6A
PRM Air Filter Charger
Pioneer Head Unit / 6 Disc Changer
Boston Pro 5.4 Front, Diamond Motorsport 6.5 Rear
Alpine 60W Four Channel
MTX ThunderTENS
Soundstream Reference 300
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DodgedogJB
Dodge Dakota
6/26/2001
19:42:05
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Sorry guys..don't know why that posted so many times.
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DarkFury
Dodge Dakota
6/27/2001
00:46:05
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Hey DodgedogJB...
I'm wondering if you got the "loaded" MTX Thunderform?
If so.. then I hate to break this to ya, but the Thunder 6000s that come in the loaded box are actually 8 Ohms... bridged, your amp would only see a 4 Ohm load.
Now this probably won't make much of a difference in how it sounds, but you wouldn't be getting as much power out of your amp with a 4Ohm load as you would with a 2Ohm load...
I really wish that they had given to the option to put 4Ohm speakers in the "loaded" box so that you really could get to a 2Ohm bridged load. That would have been really sweet when paired up to one of MTX's Class "D" amplifiers...
Oh well.. I just wanted to point that out to ya... Now if you got the "unloaded" box and put your own speakers in, then disregard this post.
BTW, the amped version of the Thunderform was not all that bad... it definitely adds more bottom to the stock stereo with a mimimum of extra expense and hassle. But still... I think a separate amp is the way to go if you got the room to fit it in there.
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DodgedogJB
Dodge Dakota
6/28/2001
13:20:04
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Okay folks! There seems to be some serious confusion out there on the loaded verion of the Thunderform. Let me clarify.
The box for the Dakota comes with 2, 8 ohm 10s. These are wired in parrallel. This means that when you measure the impedance at the speaker terminals your meter will show 4 ohms. When this is bridged, your amp will see a 2 ohm load. A lot of people are complaining about MTX not offering 4 ohm versions in the loaded box. They did this for a very good reason. Two 4 ohm speakers in parrallel would read 2 ohms at the speaker terminals. Most peoples amplifiers are not 1 ohm stable which would not allow you to bridge your amp when running this setup. Just by this box and hook it up to your amp bridged and everything will be fine.
And if anybody is interested I have a picture of the amp mounted in the location I mentioned above.
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Bluethunder
Dodge Dakota
6/28/2001
15:14:32
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Id be interested in seeing the pics...send em along
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Collin
Dodge Dakota
6/28/2001
16:02:16
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Dodgedog is right, in parallel, you take the recirocals of each sub(which would be 1/8) and add those together(which is 1/4). This fraction equals 1 over the Resitance so you have a simple proportion. The resistance comes out to 4 ohms total. The people complaining need a stronger amp, not different subs.
And could you send me those pictures DODGEDOG? Thanks
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Roberto
Dodge Dakota
6/28/2001
16:03:50
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I'd like to see those
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DarkFury
Dodge Dakota
6/28/2001
17:42:51
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That's why I would want a "Class D" MTX Amp to go with them...
They are mono amps that are very stable (even to your 1 Ohm bridged example), run cooler, and are smaller to fit in the tight space of a Dakota.
BTW... call me silly, but I still don't see how you can get a 2 Ohm load from 2 8 Ohm speakers unless you are saying 2 Ohms stereo right since it is bridged since that is still just 4 Ohms mono).
I haven't taken a Physics class in awile, however I have had stereos for a pretty long time. In my other vehicle, a 96 Ford T'Bird, I have a mono HiFonics Hercules amp pushing a 2 Ohm load with 2 4 Ohm Alpine Bass 200 speakers. Since it is a "mono" amp, I can't run 1 Ohm stereo.. but I get the same result.
That's how I thought the "resistance" equations worked when paralleling speakers... if not, then please enlighten me... cause installers have been tellin' me wrong for way too long... LOL.
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