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GlenC
GenIII
 
10/03/2001
23:58:37
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Hey, whats the BEST of the BEST 10" speaker that would fit in a thunderform box for a '01 CC? I dont know how deep the mounting is, or the square feet of air space. I've been lookin at the Infinity Pefect 10s but, i dunno if it'll fit or not. So, what do you people run.
GlenC
'01, CC, SLT, 4.7, Auto, 3.55 LS
Gibson single catback.
Robert Shaw 180 T-Stat. Autolite 3923s
JBA Headers.
Kenne Bell supercharged.
Roadmaster active suspension.
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GlenC
GenIII
10/04/2001
00:50:43
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Ok, so im gettin tired. Its not square feet, its cubic feet. Ok, now im going back to bed.
GlenC
'01, CC, SLT, 4.7, Auto, 3.55 LS
Gibson single catback.
Robert Shaw 180 T-Stat. Autolite 3923s
JBA Headers.
Kenne Bell supercharged.
Roadmaster active suspension.
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intimidator
Dodge Dakota
10/09/2001
21:58:52
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Look at MB Quart PWD 254. They will fit & they smoke.
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GlenC
GenIII
10/09/2001
23:15:54
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Wow, those look like some badd@ss speakers. Thanks for the suggestion.
GlenC
'01, CC, SLT, 4.7, Auto, 3.55 LS
Gibson single catback.
Robert Shaw 180 T-Stat. Autolite 3923s
JBA Headers.
Kenne Bell supercharged.
Roadmaster active suspension.
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Audio God
Dodge Dakota
10/10/2001
00:52:59
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You really need to find out how much air you have to work with in that box. An expensive sub not speced to work with that amount of air will sound much worse, than an inexpensive sub that is designed for that amount of air. Car Audio is not all about expensive equipment. Installation and using properly speced components plays a much bigger part.
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intimidator
Dodge Dakota
10/10/2001
21:13:50
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Audio God, I agree with you 100%. However, this is my setup run off a JL 500/1 monoblock & I placed second in my first IASCA SQ comp this summer.
2001 Dakota SLT Plus 4x4
Kenwood eXcelon 815
MB Quart QM 218.61 Q's bi-amped actively
JL 300/4
(2)MB Quart 10" PWD 254
JL 500/1 monoblock
Dynamat & D-Flex pads in doors
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intimidator
Dodge Dakota
10/10/2001
21:17:27
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Oh, Everything is run through an AudioControl EQX
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Audio God
Dodge Dakota
10/10/2001
22:38:54
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What are da specs on those bad boys? You might have gotten lucky and the box was the perfect size. Equalization can also help to correct minor "problems" in system design. I was just suggesting an alternative not bashing your suggestion.
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GlenC
GenIII
10/10/2001
22:55:45
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Hmm, i wish i knew the size of the box... thats why i was askin if you guys new of speakers that would fit correctly. I was lookin at the JL W6s cause they dont seem to require that much space, but im not sure.
'01, CC, SLT, 4.7, Auto, 3.55 LS
Gibson single catback.
Robert Shaw 180 T-Stat. Autolite 3923s
JBA Headers.
Kenne Bell supercharged.
Roadmaster active suspension.
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Audio God
Dodge Dakota
10/11/2001
00:50:32
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You should be able to ask the retailer or maybe MTX has a website or something. I'll ask around to my fellas to see if I can help. Sorry, I'm not a big MTX advocate.
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Audio God
Dodge Dakota
10/11/2001
02:38:42
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I got the skinny!!! Box has a volume of 1.8 cubic feet. Now just divide that by 2. Comes out to .9 cubic feet. Now find the best subwoofer within your budget that meets that specification.
My boys tell me that the box isn't very deep. So you need to pay close attention to the depth of your new subs.
My other suggestion is...If you know you're going to use the MTX box, buy it. This way you can take it to your car audio retailer and have them load different models of subs into it so you can hear what they sound like. It will be easy for them to hook up to their sound board, and take about ten minutes to load a pair.
Later, GOOD LUCK!!!
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GlenC
GenIII
10/11/2001
12:53:07
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Sweet, thanks for the info. I actually already have the box loaded with the MTX Thunderform speakers and (wussy) amp. But im itchin for a little bit more. What do you guys think of the JL W6? Good? Bad? Ugly? And what amp would you guys recomend, i've always just looked towards MTX for amps, but then again, i am a sterio newbie. Thanks again.
GlenC
'01, CC, SLT, 4.7, Auto, 3.55 LS
Gibson single catback.
Robert Shaw 180 T-Stat. Autolite 3923s
JBA Headers.
Kenne Bell supercharged.
Roadmaster active suspension.
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R/Truck
Dodge Dakota
10/11/2001
12:57:44
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I am pretty sure that the JL W6's don't fit that enclosure. There magnets are very large. You may want to check the websites to make sure.
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GlenC
GenIII
10/11/2001
14:12:17
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JL says the mouting depth is only 4.875 in. I think that would fit, but im not really sure. Hmm, maybe i'll just go pull the sub out and messure it today if i have time.... im trying to research all of this at work. Yeah, im productive. Hehehe.
GlenC
'01, CC, SLT, 4.7, Auto, 3.55 LS
Gibson single catback.
Robert Shaw 180 T-Stat. Autolite 3923s
JBA Headers.
Kenne Bell supercharged.
Roadmaster active suspension.
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abcinv
Dodge Dakota
10/19/2001
00:04:03
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W6's will not fit. I put W0's in mine and had to do a little fiberglass work to make them fit. I've heard of some guys doubling up the speaker pad(between the speaker and the box)to allow a deeper speaker to fit. Also know a guy who cut rings out of particle board and used those as spacers between the speaker and the box, used longer mounting screws. He claims there is still enough room for the speaker to jump w/o hitting the seat. Just some idea's.
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Dave_K
Dodge Dakota
10/19/2001
07:09:13
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Okay, i did some digging..
MTX Speakers (Thunder 6000's the ones that they will ship the box) mounting depth is 5.125
JL audio 10W3 is 5.8125
JL Audio 10W1 is 4.375 < Definate Fit!
JL Audio 10W0 is 5.375
------------------^ all of these speakers have the correct volume capacity (match .9ft3)
JL Audio 10W6 is 4.875 < WOULD fit.
However Sealed enclosure range is 0.40-0.80 cu.ft. Too much room left over. .1cuft isnt much, but it might effect it...
------------------^ This 10 will have too much space in the box...
IMO, look at the 10W1 or 0 if you dont mind making a lift ring as abcinv suggested.
- Dave
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R/Truck
Dodge Dakota
10/19/2001
11:22:14
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To much room in an enclosure is not all together bad. It will allow your subs to play lower with the same amount of power. The only real concern would be high volume, then the subs could be push out of there excursion limits. But if you are using a good subwoofer then you shouldn't have a problem.
My only conern with the JL Audio w6s is the wiring 6ohm + 6ohm. You will have to play at 3ohms mono or 6ohms mono. Make sure your amp can handle the 3ohm load if you go that way.
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GlenC
GenIII
10/19/2001
13:35:54
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I was pokin around JL's site, and i found some wiring diagrams. They showed 2 W6s wired to 1.5 ohm. I was thinking of finding a 1 ohm stable amp and pushing those with it. Just an idea.
About the cu. ft. -
I didnt think there would be to big of a problem with to much space, being that it isnt that much anyways. But is this a big deal? It would seem hard to find a sub to match custom boxes with odd dimentions. Or maybe i just dont know anything. :) Which is probably the case. Hehehe.
GlenC
'01, CC, SLT, 4.7, Auto, 3.55 LS
Gibson single catback.
Robert Shaw 180 T-Stat. Autolite 3923s
JBA Headers.
Kenne Bell supercharged.
Roadmaster active suspension.
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R/Truck
Dodge Dakota
10/19/2001
13:51:26
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As I said earlier, to much space is much easier to correct then not enough. Install the subs and you will probably notice that there are no drawbacks to your setup. If the subs start to flop around at high volume then place a small sealed sandbag inside the enclosure to take up space, but you probably won't have to do this.
I would be careful with a 1 ohm load. That 1 ohm load would suck up a tremendous amount of amperage (alternator killer) and make the amp run hot. You may want to consider wiring them to 3 ohm and get an amp that runs down to 2 ohm, like a class D amp.
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GlenC
GenIII
10/19/2001
15:38:42
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Hmm, so many veriables. I still have lots of time before i buy, i gotta get a few other things first, but i wanted to start plannin for what i wanted with the sterio (christmas is commin).
On a side note, what do you guys think of Infinity Pefect 10s? Those look like good speakers, to me at least. Hehehe.
GlenC
'01, CC, SLT, 4.7, Auto, 3.55 LS
Gibson single catback.
Robert Shaw 180 T-Stat. Autolite 3923s
JBA Headers.
Kenne Bell supercharged.
Roadmaster active suspension.
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Audio God
Dodge Dakota
10/20/2001
21:40:08
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Infinity Perfects are a real good high quality speaker. All of them are good, components and subwoofers. You won't go wrong with a pair of those babies.
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Dave_K
Dodge Dakota
10/22/2001
07:07:39
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yeah this is from their site...
With speakers wired in parallel:
Two 4 Ohm speakers will present a 2 Ohm load.
Two 8 Ohm speakers will present a 4 Ohm load.
thats the 10W1 speaker.
Lots of options...
R/TRuck, great tip on sandbags, hadnt heard that before... why sealed? to keep it clean? or is an acoustic thing?
- Dave.
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TrueBlue
Dodge Dakota
11/07/2001
19:15:28
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GlenC: There is more to the Thunderform than meets the depth chart. The depth of the subs is only one space concern. The other is the magnet diameter. The bottom of the T-form is NOT flat! The bottom starts fairly shallow on the front and back, then slopes down to a flat bottom towards the center. Large-magnet subs like JL and Infinity Perfects have shallow-enough depth, but have magnets that are far too wide. I tried a set of Audiomobile subs (120oz magnets) and the depth was fine but they wouldn't fit because of the magnet diameter. I threw in my old Fosgate 'till I get some Image Dynamics IDQ10's. They have a smaller magnet so they fit and they have superb sound quality. They are anywhere from $100 to $170 online depending on where you go.
You might also take Audio God's advice and buy the box empty and take it to a shop and try to fit some subs. I tried the wood ring/longer screws thing and it sucked. I needed so much lift that I would have run into the seat bottom so I had to lift the seat with more wood spacers... pain in the a$$.
I'd try the IDQ10's because I know they fit and sound good.
Good Luck...
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HSKR
Dodge Dakota
11/09/2001
13:37:10
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I agree with TrueBlue on the subs. I have the Image Dynamic DVC subs, and they sound awsome!!! They fit perfect in the T-form like it was almost made for them.
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Matt
Dodge Dakota
11/15/2001
14:26:30
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Last weekend I installed my T-form box with 2 Kicker CompVR DVC 4 ohm and a Phoenix Gold XS2500 amp and all I can say is WOW. Sounds excellent. The subs are almost the exact depth of the MTX subs and sound awesome. That's my 2 cents...
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Got-Speed
Dodge Dakota
11/15/2001
18:51:21
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My box is a commin... I'm gonna try and toss a pair of Orion XTR3 DVC's in there. Also I hear Polyfill will fool the subs into thinking there is more cubic feet of box space ?!?
I'm also running 3 Orion HCCA amps. 1 for each sub and 1 for the front infinities.
Also got the new JVC voice activated deck lx-50 I think it is. Pretty bad a$s, mounted the wired remote next to the window switches, and the mic above the rearview !
Just my .02 cents and yeah I want my change :)
Marty
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R/Truck
Dodge Dakota
11/16/2001
14:38:14
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Let me throw some change at ya.
The polyfill will not only trick the subs into thinking there is more air space it will also give the subs a more tight sound. The polyfill slows the air waves down and make the bass sound a little more accurate. Not to mention help stamp out any vibrations that occur inside the enclosure.
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HSKR
Dodge Dakota
11/17/2001
00:10:46
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The MTX box comes with polyfill already in it. SO if you plan on buying some, you don't need to.
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R/Truck
Dodge Dakota
11/19/2001
10:26:43
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Good. I have yet to take mine apart and now I don't have to. What size of speaker wire do they use?
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HSKR
Dodge Dakota
11/19/2001
15:36:32
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Don't remember the size of wire. It's not small by any means though. Think maybe 16 guage
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Phil
Dodge Dakota
JOIN HERE
2/16/2002
21:19:32
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The mtx box is a close fit for the JL audio 10w0 im trying some thing out and might work donno makeing a ring out of that putty that harden real fast and makeing a fome o-ring but if all works I'll put up some more info up.
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